We’re way way way off topic here, so I’ll 



> On Jun 16, 2019, at 3:01 PM, Neil Van Dyke <n...@neilvandyke.org> wrote:
> 
> Just to define my terms, I distinguish Leetcode-style "coding tests" from the 
> old MS-style "puzzles" that Google later adopted for a while

I equated puzzles w/ undergraduate algorithm regurgitation knowledge. 

> I'd be pleasantly surprised if Google, for example, doesn't insist on the 
> hazing ritual battery for every single one of them, however.

Yes Google knows. I spent quite some time talking to a person who analyzed the 
problem. What Google doesn’t know is what to replace it with. 

As for our undergraduates, they may not be up there with the best 
algorithms-memorizing interviews for their co-ops, but they are told to fall 
back on the HtDP design recipe. And that impresses a certain class of 
interviewers. (As it did Google.) 

> That's an interesting way of doing it, and I'll have to ruminate on it, but 
> you're hurting my advocacy argument on HN yesterday, about when macros are 
> best used in Racket. :) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20191406

As I wrote. patterns in code make me so unhappy that I abstract them, using the 
minimal tool necessary. 

But when I scanned this dumb discussion you pointed me to, I couldn’t resist 
stooping down to their level :)) 

"Does it matter that for loops don't leave a stack trace? How can poor 
programmers debug them w/o a stack trace?” 

— Matthias :) 


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