Lennart : The GLBTQ community thinks - and I am generalizing a bit - that if evangelicals had their way they would all be shot dead because their sin is, according to many Christians, more sinful then any other sin in the book. Therefore, they don't want to get anywhere near that kind of hospital (read Church or Christian community). This is a little surprising. Shot dead ? With the possible exception of Westboro, and surely not even them, no-one is talking about the guillotine for homosexuals. What evangelicals do recommend is homosexuals joining Exodus or seeking therapy with a competent psychoanalyst or other psychology professional That's a lot different than getting killed. ------------------------------------------------ Glad we had this conversation.
Me too. It kind of took off, didn't it ? Lots of worthwhile things to think about. And --I will admit-- still another case of my own needing to try and not make a few mistakes that either you or Ernie pointed out. Cheers Billy ================================================== In a message dated 10/13/2010 2:04:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Hello Billy, On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 3:13 PM, <[email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) > wrote: Lennaret : I don't see the real Jesus joining up with the Westboro Baptist Church in Kansas City. Spitting in someone's face and next tell them how much Jesus loves them just doesn't go over real well with people. He's not making a political statement but rather that if you want to build a friendship with someone don't start by telling them in a loud agitated voice how lousy they are and what all their faults are. It doesn't work real well. Well, let's hope not. Westboro is strictly Looney-Tunes stuff. ---------------------------------------- So, it's OK for the guy addicted to pornography or the prostitute to preach judgment to the homosexual? I think that's called hypocrisy. The real Jesus didn't care much for that. Two things to say : ( 1 ) Since we are all sinners, therefore we can never say anything about anyone ? This makes sense how ? That's not what I said and that's not the point Fitch is trying to make. The point is, I think, that a person that knows their own sin/weakness will speak in a different voice and tone. The message might be the same but the posture, the tone, is different. ( 2 ) What makes you think I was talking about pornographers preaching to homosexuals ? The actual idea was something along the lines of a doctor talking with a patient who refuses to do something required for recovery from an injury or disease. As when a doctor might say, strongly, "if you continue to disregard my recommendations you will drop dead in four months, and your excuses are worthless." Maybe I misunderstood you, sorry. I think I hear what you're saying. If the Doctor can say what you suggest and be listened to and the commendation followed, that's great. It's just that when evangelicals speaks to the GLBTQ community they aren't listening (and vice versa). So, what's the use of screaming? "How is that working for you?" as Dr. Phil might say. ------------------------------------------------------- What patient would want to go to a hospital if he knows he's going to be shot dead in the foyer? I'm totally clueless about what you mean. The GLBTQ community thinks - and I am generalizing a bit - that if evangelicals had their way they would all be shot dead because their sin is, according to many Christians, more sinful then any other sin in the book. Therefore, they don't want to get anywhere near that kind of hospital (read Church or Christian community). (you might be on to something here though with the "hospital" analogy). Yeah, it struck me that this idea has real uses. Came to me out of the blue. Would gladly attribute the source if I knew what it was. Neurons firing is sequence because of a pattern of thought ? Suppressed memory of experiences rising to the fore because they now are suddenly relevant ? Something I read and reworked unconsciously ? Professor Jacobsen's voice in my ear after all these years ? Rev Hintz's voice in my ear after all these years ? Unseen inspiration of the Holy Spirit ? All of the above ? : ) Probably neurons firing is sequence because of a pattern of thought under the unseen inspiration of the Holy Spirit. I could use some of that! _I like what Ernie wrote "and yes, there is a difference between what society should tolerate and whom the church should love". Glad we had this conversation. // Lennart -- Centroids: The Center of the Radical Centrist Community <[email protected]> Google Group: http://groups.google.com/group/RadicalCentrism_ (http://groups.google.com/group/RadicalCentrism) Radical Centrism website and blog: _http://RadicalCentrism.org_ (http://radicalcentrism.org/) -- Centroids: The Center of the Radical Centrist Community <[email protected]> Google Group: http://groups.google.com/group/RadicalCentrism Radical Centrism website and blog: http://RadicalCentrism.org
