You are on the right trail. Not sure if this is an attack on the Republican Party so much as it is anti-Ryan and anti-Ryan's budget proposal How many other Republicans are Randists ? Guess this includes ( again, I can't say for sure ) Rand Paul and maybe pops, too, but beyond that ? ? ? Still, one of the 3 articles ( none today ) did bring up another anti-Randist, namely Chuck Colson, and its pretty hard to classify him as a " liberal." Billy ======================================================== message dated 6/9/2011 6:58:51 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes:
American Values Network ad, targeted at liberal Christians, The American Values Network, like People for the American Way, sounds like a great group of folks. Except that they're on the left side of the scale. That three (or perhaps more) articles have been written on this in two days makes me wonder if this is spontaneous or if some "journalists" got some talking points and this is "the message" brought to you by erstwhile Obama supporters trying to fracture the Republican vote. David _ "There is no virtue in compulsory government charity, and there is no virtue in advocating it. A politician who portrays himself as "caring" and "sensitive" because he wants to expand the government's charitable programs is merely saying that he's willing to try to do good with other people's money. Well, who isn't? And a voter who takes pride in supporting such programs is telling us that he'll do good with his own money -- if a gun is held to his head."--P. J. O'Rourke On 6/9/2011 12:06 AM, [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) wrote: How so ? Obviously this is not in my bailiwick, so I'm lost. Like I said,. this is article # 3 in two days making the "Rand = anti-Christian" connection and I presume the 3 authors are not just blowing smoke through their hookahs. Billy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- message dated 6/8/2011 9:20:58 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) writes: Liberal Christians are, that's for sure. Liberal Christians also think that the "religious right" has hijacked the church and is basically wrong about everything. Same song, next verse. The "Ayn Rand vs. Jesus" motif actually has me laughing. David _ "There is no virtue in compulsory government charity, and there is no virtue in advocating it. A politician who portrays himself as "caring" and "sensitive" because he wants to expand the government's charitable programs is merely saying that he's willing to try to do good with other people's money. Well, who isn't? And a voter who takes pride in supporting such programs is telling us that he'll do good with his own money -- if a gun is held to his head."--P. J. O'Rourke On 6/8/2011 12:38 PM, [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) wrote: This is the third essay about Ayn Rand in the past two days which has taken Republicans to task for buying into Objectivism. This one may be especially significant since it directly links libertarianism with Ayn Rand and makes a case that Christian faith is the diametric opposite. Actually the article about La Vey does so also, but this one may be more important. Not sure if this is simply a blip or the start of something more sustained. In any case, could be a warning that Christians are not happy with the implications of Ayn Rand's version of libertarianism and may be in the early stages of organizing against it. Billy ------------------------------------------------------- RD magazine June 7, 2011 The Problem with Ayn Rand Isn’t Atheism Post by _Sarah Posner_ (http://www.religiondispatches.org/contributors/sarahposner/) Detroit Examiner columnist Brandon Schlacht _takes issue_ (http://www.examiner.com/atheism-in-detroit/ayn-rand-atheists-vs-liberal-christians-a-battle-o f-dogma?fb_comment=34027636) with the American Values Network ad, targeted at liberal Christians, which criticizes _Republican affection for Ayn Rand_ (http://www.religiondispatches.org/dispatches/sarahposner/4708/paul_ryan’ s_bible,_jim_wallis’,_or_none_of_the_above/) . Schlacht writes: Members of the American Values Network have come out in opposition to Ryan based on their Christian faith and Ayn Rand's atheism; however, while Ryan was indeed influenced by Rand and would like to see her Objectivism influence more of Washington's policy, his budget is not wrong due to Ayn Rand's lack of belief in a supreme being. The real issue is not atheism, but Randian dogma, which holds a strict commitment to cutting government, promoting libertarian ideals, and allowing for the best to emerge, even if it occurs at the expense of the downtroden. . . . The real issue isn't God with Paul Ryan's budget, but his strict belief that one ideal and one political ideology will fix the crippling budget problems the U.S. faces. The American Values Network is run by the principals of the Eleison Group, a political consulting firm which _describes_ (http://eleisongroup.com/) itself as "a full-service consulting firm helping political, non-profit, business and government entities better understand America’s rich and complex faith landscape and build relationships with people of faith from across the ideological spectrum on the local and national level." It is boasting on its website of its attendance at the upcoming Netroots Nation conference where principals Burns Strider and Eric Sapp will be on a _panel_ (http://www.netrootsnation.org/node/1703) , "Moving Forward With Faith." The description on the Netroots Nation website reads, "A clear lesson to from our recent history is that faith and values communities are increasingly proving to be critical to successful progressive advocacy." Other panelists include Elizabeth Denlinger, Director of Campaigns at Sojourners, which her biography describes as "one of the largest networks of progressive Christians in the nation," a characterization some progressive Christians _take issue_ (http://www.religiondispatches.org/dispatches/sarahposner/4592/progressive_christia n:_wallis_“no_longer_speaks_for_us”/) with. (I'm also speaking on a _different panel_ (http://www.netrootsnation.org/node/1685) at the same conference.) Eleison and the AVN are focused on making "people of faith" "comfortable" with Democrats, who've gotten a bad rap about being "hostile" to religion. That rap, incidentally, came from Democratic "faith" strategists, not because Democrats are demonstrably anti-religion, but it has resulted in some painful pandering to make up for these alleged deficiencies. Eleison's Democratic clients have _included_ (http://www.religiondispatches.org/dispatches/sarahposner/2680/democratic_faith_outreach:_not_dead_yet) Alabama's Parker Griffith, who went on to become a Republican, and North Carolina's Heath Shuler, a prominent Blue Dog who recently deo-archives/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">_support_ (http://www.watchmenpastors.or g/briefing-vispoke</a>%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20 at%20the%20Family%20Research%20Council's%20Watchmen%20on%20the%20%20%20%20%2 0%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20Wall%20conference% 20for%20pastors,%20where%20he%20insisted%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20 %20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20that%20if%20Christians) of the Republicans' budget-slashing. But at least Shuler's not an atheist! At the AVN website touting the anti-Rand ad, AVN _notes_ (http://americanvaluesnetwork.org/aynrandvsjesus/) , "The choice is simple: Ayn Rand or Jesus Christ. We must choose one and forsake the other." Will the AVN ad help Democrats? Last year, Sapp _blamed_ (http://www.religiondispatches.org/dispatches/sarahposner/3682/did_the_democrats_punt_on_faith_ outreach/) Democratic losses in the midterm election on a failure to engage in faith outreach, a claim that Robert P. Jones of the Public Religion Research Institute _rebutted,_ (http://www.religiondispatches.org/dispatches/sarahposner/3682/did_the_democrats_punt_on_faith_outreach/) by showing that not only were Sapp's numbers off, but his theory was "untenable. Assigning the lack of religious outreach any primary, causal role in this particular election is simply not a credible argument, given the economic context, comparable losses among other important demographic groups, and the particular makeup of the 2010 electorate." Other strategy emanating from Eleison has included Sapp's _offering up_ (http://www.religiondispatches.org/dispatches/sarahposner/2935/are_tea_partiers_pro-gay_and_pro-choice_) of his firm's claimed 25 million-name list of evangelical voters so Democrats can "educate" them about how (in Sapp's mind) Tea Partiers are pro-gay and pro-choice and therefore shouldn't be trusted. Sounds like a winning Democratic strategy, right? Sapp and Strider's latest strategy is to highlight Rand's atheism. While it is indeed a profile in Republican hyprocrisy that conservatives complain about liberals "persecuting" Christians, and insist that we are a "Christian nation," and then turn for inspiration to Rand, who denigrated organized religion, Rand's atheism is not what's wrong with Ryan's budget. Schlacht warns, "Christians are making a mistake by attacking Ryan due to Rand's atheism by isolating themselves from likely allies. They have remained so committed to their dogma regarding a supreme being, that they may alienate their own Liberal allies, damaging relations between the faithful and faithless for some time." That might be overstating the case. But we don't have to choose between Rand and Christ. -- -- -- Centroids: The Center of the Radical Centrist Community <[email protected]> Google Group: http://groups.google.com/group/RadicalCentrism Radical Centrism website and blog: http://RadicalCentrism.org
