Title: ORourke54.htm
Welcome to my world, except in reverse. Mention that one is a Christian, and one is immediately thought to be in league with 4000 BC creationists (give or take a few years, must go recheck my Scofield notes for the real year). However, I find that the "reality based community" has less of a grip on reality than they claim. since Bush knew about 09/11 in advance and Bristol Palin is the REAL mother of Trig. And they criticize Obama "Birthers?" o_0

"Pot meet Kettle, yeah, you're both black.

David

"There is no virtue in compulsory government charity, and there is no virtue in advocating it. A politician who portrays himself as "caring" and "sensitive" because he wants to expand the government's charitable programs is merely saying that he's willing to try to do good with other people's money. Well, who isn't? And a voter who takes pride in supporting such programs is telling us that he'll do good with his own money -- if a gun is held to his head."--P. J. O'Rourke


On 6/18/2011 1:29 PM, [email protected] wrote:
Centroids :
It is clear that I have been spoiled by this group. Just concluded a series of
e-mail exchanges with Ray Adams, the founder and director of the site,
American Traditions magazine  /  American Traditions.org.
 
Originally got in touch with him inasmuch as his views on the issue of homosexuality
are very similar to my own. Indeed, I have found that my views on this subject
are similar to those of many other "fundamentalist" Christians. Alas, there the
story seems to end. Actually not quite, but in general terms.
 
My assumptions , this exchange of opinions has made it clear twice over,
are Radical Centrist in character, up and down the line. This is good but it
also is bad since I also tend to assume that RC truths are so obvious that
they are universal, when , obviously, this is not the case.
 
Adams made my blood boil, to be candid about it. For him it necessarily
is the case that the entire Right-wing set of values is right and any other
perspective on events is dead wrong and, worse, that all other viewpoints
are reducible to secular Leftism. Apparently this includes all other
forms of Christian faith. As well as all other religions, minus the exception
of Islam ( we also basically agree on that issue ), also become, magically,
the same thing, denominations of Heathenism.
 
Where we really got into a fight ( gentlemanly, but a fight nonetheless )
was on the issue of evolution. I had not realized, although I should have
known better, that there still were any pure anti-evolutionists  " out there."
 
The Left also is anti-evolution, but with a different take, those people
object to sociobiological implications, essentially, since this new science
says that natural equality is a fiction. Which the evidence clearly shows
is the case. But to accept this view it becomes necessary to question
"enlightenment" philosophy, which the Left refuses to do. So the Left
more-or-less can live with animal evolution at a very basic level but only
as long as it is kept separate from actual thought and is primarily used
as a club with which to beat up on Christian rightists.
 
Adams, a lawyer by training, defends Intelligent Design tooth and nail.
He insists on associating it with opposition to homosexuality and to Islam
as if, if you are an evolutionist, you necessarily must also be pro-homosexual
and pro-Islam, since that is the paradigm of the Left. Or the only paradigm
that the hard Right recognizes.  Similarly all the Heathens must, by his logic,
all feel the same way , and evidence that, for example, Buddhists are
anti-abortion and critical of homosexuality, simply does not register.
It doesn't fit the model that Adams and other Rightist Christians
assume is the only way to conceive the world.
 
Pat Robertson, in comparison, is a Liberal Christian out in Left field.
Granted, 'ol Pat is everyone's crazy uncle, but usually the man is stable
and usually does his homework, or some homework anyway.
 
Adams went to lengths to "disprove" evolution, all of his opinions reflecting
a view of evolution that, far as I know, no-one maintains. By this view
new species arise via species interbreeding. Actually the process involves
population isolation over an extended period of time, and environmental stress
which demands  ( or rewards ) adaptation.
 
Then there is "Snowball Earth," the now well-established fact that until
about 650 million BC our planet was frozen over, everywhere. This had
lasted millions of years and when it was done, what life had survived
did so, it seems, only in the vicinity of probably 13 geothermal hotspots,
undersea volcanoes. So, when the ice broke apart and the Big Melt
was under way, these 13 populations had the run of the planet and
the result, after a few million more years, was the Cambrian Explosion.
Speciation on steroids, like nothing before or since.
 
But to Adams, the Snowball Earth never existed --he had not even heard
of the concept before I brought it up--  and the Cambrian Explosion
therefore is an example of Intelligent Design in nature as God, ex nihilo,
invented scores of exotic species the way that Picasso created
his paintings. For the hellovit, because they look pretty, or whatever.
 
It will take a while for my brain to recover. This is faeryland stuff,
the Mad Hatter and Alice-in-Wonderland, but actually believed-in
by a professing Christian.
 
One useful lesson, as bad as the Left often is, once more, after a good
number of years and many transitions in life, comes a reminder that
there are reasons for the disdain of the Left for the lunatic Right.
Which is tragic since that same Right, on some issues, is absolutely right.
But why in hell don't they understand science ?  They just don't.
They are clueless. Consequently they look like idiots
to everyone else.
 
Bits and pieces of my run-in with Adams have leaked into some of
my comments here in past days. Now you know the full story.
 
Billy
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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