Fundamentalism imploding. A good thing. // Lennart
On Jun 19, 2011, at 1:39, [email protected] wrote: > I am anything but a Van Impe fan, but on this , he is absolutely right. > > Billy > > > ==================================================== > > > > message dated 6/18/2011 8:46:04 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > Hmmmm. > > David > > "There is no virtue in compulsory government charity, and there is no virtue > in advocating it. A politician who portrays himself as "caring" and > "sensitive" because he wants to expand the government's charitable programs > is merely saying that he's willing to try to do good with other people's > money. Well, who isn't? And a voter who takes pride in supporting such > programs is telling us that he'll do good with his own money -- if a gun is > held to his head."--P. J. O'Rourke > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [Christian-worldview] Van Impe Leaves TBN in clash over > Islam.............!! > Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 03:19:28 +0000 > From: Puritanman <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > > > > > > > FAITH UNDER FIRE > Van Impe ministry abandons TBN in clash over Islam > > Network turned back episode that challenged leaders over 'apostasy' > > Posted: June 16, 2011 > 1:00 am Eastern > > By Bob Unruh > © 2011 WND > > > > Jack Van Impe > A Christian ministry's decision to expose as "false teachers" several > celebrity ministers it believes are corrupting biblical teachings has > prompted a rift, with Jack Van Impe Ministries dropping plans to work in the > future with Trinity Broadcasting Network, where it has broadcast for more > than two decades. > > "I Will Not Be Silenced! I will not allow anyone to tell me what I can and > cannot preach," Van Impe said in a statement when TBN would not allow his > program to air. > > "When I see heretical teaching leading to apostasy, I will speak out," he > said. "The Bible says 'All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is > profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in > righteousness:' (II Timothy 3:16). The Apostle Paul also gives instructions > in Titus 1:9-11, 13 'Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, > that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the > gainsayers. For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers … Whose > mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they > ought not, for filthy lucre's sake…Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they > may be sound in the faith.'" > > Van Impe said he immediately called his media agents and told them, "I no > longer wanted to air my program on Trinity Broadcasting Network; we will take > the tremendous amount of money that we were spending there to obtain new > stations that will allow us to continue to reach every square mile of America > with the truths of the Bible without this network." > > (Story continues below) > > > > > > The dispute arose over the issue of advocating for "Chrislam" and other > efforts that are designed to find "common ground" between Christians and > Muslims. TBN declined to air one of Van Impe's programs that contained sharp > criticisms of leaders such as Rick Warren of "The Purpose Driven Life" fame > and Robert Schuller. > > In a statement from Van Impe Ministries today, Executive Director Ken Vancil > said his organization rejected an effort by TBN to reinstate the programming > and would work to develop alternative broadcast outlets where they were > needed. > > "We would not be able to minister effectively if we had to look over our > shoulder wondering if a program was going to be censored because of > mentioning a name," Vancil said. "While there is hurt over this incident, we > hold no animosity towards TBN. Dr. Van Impe has often expressed his > appreciation to Paul and Jan (Crouch, of TBN) and all that they have > accomplished." > > But he confirmed that Paul Crouch Sr. "cautioned" him as recently as Monday > "regarding Dr. Van Impe's naming of names and publicly rebuking ministers and > their teachings." > > The dispute erupted just last week, when Van Impe's ministry planned to air > sharp criticism of Christians who say they want to "reach out" by > incorporating beliefs or practices of Islam into their Christian > organizations. > > The program specifically mentioned Warren and Schuller, prompting TBN to > prevent the broadcast. > > "We received a call from Matt Crouch of TBN informing us that they would not > run that program. … The reason he gave was that we specifically mentioned > Rick Warren and Robert Schuller and that it is TBN's policy that broadcasters > are not allowed to rebuke other ministries," Van Impe said. > > "This is a rather hypocritical statement in light of the fact that they have > never said anything in the past when we have rebuked others such as Bishop > Spong, Bishop Pike, and in the past few months Harold Camping and Rob Bell," > he continued. "They also stated that they would not run any future program > where we offered our DVD Reclaiming & Restoring Biblical Christianity as a > premium for a donation to our ministry. A DVD that exposes false teachers and > the heresies that they proclaim." > > TBN did not respond to WND's request for comment on the dispute. > > Vancil said after TBN's decision not to air the program that there was no > future between the two groups. > > "This was not an easy decision; we have had a relationship with TBN for 23 > years. … But at this point we feel it is time to part ways," he said. "We > have been able to over the years develop an independent network of broadcast > stations all across America as well as broadcasting on TBN and Daystar. Our > media agents have worked diligently and determined that we need to add 14 > stations to be able to continue fully covering every mile of America. > > "Praise God I am pleased to announce that negotiations have progressed in > these 14 markets and that contracts will be presented to the Van Impes for > approval in a matter of days," he said. > > In the program that was cut, which remains available on the Jack Van Impe > Ministries website, the ministry launches its campaign regarding "apostate > ministers." > > Van Impe explains that the Bible prophesies a one-world government and a > one-world religion during the end times, and his concern focuses on the move > among some Christian organizations to adopt some Islamic thought and > incorporate elements of Islam into their worship. > > "We've got too many of these mush-mouth preachers. All they're doing is two > stories and a movie review," he said. But the Bible actually outlines that > its messages also are to "reprove and rebuke" Christians for failing to live > for God. > > According to the broadcast, "Chrislam is a term that may be used more often > among apostate churches." > > Such Islamic and evangelical Christian leaders, the report explained, are > working to find a way to promote "common beliefs the two religions supposedly > share." > > Specifically cited were Warren and Schuller. > > During a subsequent broadcast, also available on the ministry's website, the > advance of "Chrislam" thoughts and practices into Christian churches was > described as a "tsunami of compromise." > > "This compromise is going to permeate Christianity," Van Impe said. "I'm > calling for the old-time religion to be restored. > > "God called me to preach. And I will not stand down for any man, for any > church, for any Christian organization," he said. > > The report noted that there are some Christian missionaries overseas who have > "eliminated 91 verses in God's Holy Word because they wanted to please Islam > and the Muslims." > > Those references identify Jesus as the Son of God. > > Other developments include moves by some Christian churches to remove clear > Christian emblems such as crosses. > > He said what churches need today is that "old time religion" and less > "self-esteem psycho-babble." > > Criticized on the program were recommendations attributed to Warren that > churches change music to a contemporary rock style, eliminate hymnbooks and > the choir, eliminate the Sunday evening or Wednesday prayer services, remove > the word "church" and refer to it as a "campus," and reduce the use of the > words "unsaved," "lost," "hell" and "heaven." > > Other ministries have voiced criticism similar to Van Impe's. > > Joe Schimmel, senior pastor of Blessed Hope Chapel in Southern California and > chief of the Good Fight Ministries, openly has questioned whether church > leaders are affirming Allah. > > Schimmel, who is best known for "They Sold Their Souls for Rock n Roll," > which exposes satanic influences behind much of yesterday and today's popular > music and how it negatively influences youth, suggested in a WND column, > "Could it be that we are witnessing the formation of the prophesied one-world > religion under the Antichrist? (Revelation 13:1-18) " > > He cited Brian McLaren of the emerging church movement, who planned for an > Islamic Ramadan celebration. And he mentioned Warren's agreement to address > the Islamic Society of North America, which "the Department of Justice > categorized two years ago as a co-conspirator in financing a foreign > terrorist group!" > > Another church leader, Tony Campolo, "a proponent of the so-called > 'evangelical left' claimed that 'even if' Muslims 'don't convert, they are > God's people,'" Schimmel wrote. > > "Even more chilling is the fact that over 300 prominent Christian leaders > signed a letter issued by the Yale Center for Faith and Culture claiming that > world peace is dependent on Muslims and Christians recognizing 'Allah' and > 'Yahweh' as the same God. This letter, titled 'Loving God and Neighbor > Together,' was written in response to a signed document by 138 Muslim leaders > titled 'A Common Word Between Us and You.' McLaren, Warren, Robert Schuller > and Bill Hybels were just several of the signatories to this outright > betrayal of Christ!" he said. > > TBN previously had a conflict over its intolerance for criticism of Islam. It > was in 2006 when Hal Lindsey, WND columnist and one of the world's most > popular non-fiction authors, clashed with the network because TBN wanted him > to soften his views on Muslims. Lindsey refused. > > > Read more: Van Impe ministry abandons TBN in clash over Islam > http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=311473#ixzz1Pgk2bJKT > > > > __._,_.___ > > > > -- > Centroids: The Center of the Radical Centrist Community > <[email protected]> > Google Group: http://groups.google.com/group/RadicalCentrism > Radical Centrism website and blog: http://RadicalCentrism.org -- Centroids: The Center of the Radical Centrist Community <[email protected]> Google Group: http://groups.google.com/group/RadicalCentrism Radical Centrism website and blog: http://RadicalCentrism.org
