Yikes :
I was just making a rhetorical point. Yes, there are all kinds of  
distinctions, etc
and yes, the one you said is correct. But I didn't feel like writing out a  
dissertation
on the subject. Too much other stuff to do. As you will see very   soon.
 
Billy
 
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message dated 8/26/2011 10:24:36 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
[email protected] writes:

No, it's not "close the door to everybody." You're  sounding like Geraldo 
Rivera screaming at Michelle Malkin. Michelle keeps  putting the word 
"illegal" in there and Geraldo keeps taking it out-escalating  the shouting 
match 
every time. It just makes him look stupid, since Malkin is  an immigrant. But 
she's a LEGAL one. 

Have your papers and come here  legally and most Republicans would be 
happy. True, the hard-cases would still  complain, but there's not as many as 
the 
press and Geraldo would have you  believe.  

David

  _   
 
"There is no virtue in  compulsory government charity, and there is no 
virtue in advocating it. A  politician who portrays himself as "caring" and 
"sensitive" because he wants  to expand the government's charitable programs is 
merely saying that he's  willing to try to do good with other people's 
money. Well, who isn't? And a  voter who takes pride in supporting such 
programs 
is telling us that he'll do  good with his own money -- if a gun is held to 
his head."--P. J.  O'Rourke


On 8/26/2011 2:07 PM, [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected])  wrote:  
 
Yes, nice article. Some things should be added, however. There also is  the 
de facto
but not de jure collapse of the so-called Washington Consensus  on global 
economic policy,
the need for some kind of protectionism if mid level jobs are to be  
regained, and the need
for rational immigration policy beyond "open the floodgates" of the  
Democrats and
"close the door to everybody" of the Republicans. 
 
Billy
 
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message dated 8/26/2011 11:00:58 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
[email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected])   writes:

Our  East Coast friends return to their philosophical roots for a 
thoughtful  critique. No answers, but good questions.


_http://www.newamerica.net/publications/articles/2011/the_intellectual_colla
pse_of_left_and_right_56624_ 
(http://www.newamerica.net/publications/articles/2011/the_intellectual_collapse_of_left_and_right_56624)
 



 
The Intellectual Collapse of Left and Right
Democrats and Republicans alike are failing to convince the American  
people that they have the answer to their country's problems. Underneath,  
however, lies a deeper intellectual confusion. The two most plausible  visions 
developed by the US centre-left and centre-right – the "knowledge  economy" and 
the "ownership society" – lie in tatters, leaving a void in  America's 
discussion of its economic future. 
On the right, the ownership society has been disowned. The idea began  with 
Chicago School libertarian economists who in the 1960s and '70s  devised 
elaborate private alternatives to the social insurance programme  created by 
Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal. These ideas lay behind the April  budget plan 
by Paul Ryan, the Republican chair of the House of  Representatives budget 
committee.  
Yet Mr Ryan's fellow Republicans rushed to distance themselves from his  
idea of replacing Medicare with insurance vouchers set to dwindle in  value. 
This followed a speedy public repudiation of President George W.  Bush's plan 
for partial privatisation of Social Security, the US public  pension 
system, a few years back. Both events made clear that Americans do  not share 
the 
right's vision of replacing public social insurance with  private provision. 
The fundamental blow to the ownership society, however, was the  collapse 
of the bubble economy. Individual savings accounts, of the kind  ownership 
society advocated, were devastated by the crash. The expansion  of home 
ownership, pushed by Republicans and Democrats alike, also left  millions of 
Americans "underwater." 
Ironically, the closest thing to a victory for the concept was the 2009  
healthcare reform passed by President Barack Obama, which was modelled on  
proposals made in the 1990s by the conservative Heritage Foundation.  
Republicans repudiated this approach for partisan reasons, at the price of  
intellectual consistency. 
The collapse of this conservative vision should give the Democrats  little 
comfort, however. Their idea of the knowledge economy is no more  credible. 
According to 1990s "third way" progressives on both sides of the  Atlantic, 
success in winner-take-all global markets would depend on human  capital. 
Education was now to be what financial and real estate assets  were to the 
ownership society. 
Yet the story that President Bill Clinton and British prime minister  Tony 
Blair told of college-educated individuals thriving in global labour  
markets was wrong. To begin with, America's professionals owe their  relative 
affluence largely to their protection from offshoring or  competition with 
immigrants. 
Licensing laws limit entry to the guilds of lawyers, doctors and  
professors. These remain old-fashioned crafts, largely untouched by  
productivity-enhancing technology. Meanwhile, in the financial sector,  bonuses 
have gone to 
old-fashioned speculators who bet with leveraged  money, knowing the state 
will socialise their losses. 
Most US job growth since the 1990s has been in three sectors: health,  
education and government. Nine of the 10 largest occupations earn less  than 
the 
mean hourly wage. Those with the fastest growth are nurses, home  health 
aides and customer service clerks. Middle-skill jobs with decent  wages have 
disappeared, while downward mobility and unskilled immigration  has swollen 
the low-wage domestic service sector. 
America's struggling workforce faces mass unemployment, low pay,  
inadequate benefits and highly regressive taxation. The centre-right's  
ownership 
society and the centre-left's knowledge economy are irrelevant  to these 
problems. It is an insult to tell struggling health aides and  store clerks to 
supplement their income by investing in stocks. It is a  cruel joke to tell 
most of them that they should go to college, become  entrepreneurs and found 
start-ups. 
But alternative strategies have their limits. Fostering American  
manufacturing can be justified on other grounds, but productivity growth  
ensures it 
will provide only a shrinking minority of jobs in the long run.  America's 
anti-statist culture and regional and ethnic rivalries limit the  kinds of 
redistribution, in the form of social programmes, public services  or wage 
subsidies, that have been employed in many other developed  countries. 
Supporters of the ownership society and the knowledge economy alike  have 
emphasised economic aspiration above economic security. That might  have 
seemed plausible during the bubble years, but it does not fit the  conditions 
of 
distressed workers in today's post-crash, slow-growth  economy. Whatever 
forms the next conservatism and the next liberalism take  in the US, they may 
be based as much on a politics of security as the  politics of 
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