Mike : Your interpretation sounds about right. The question is where the love part comes from. For both Saint-Simon and Comte the answer was religion. Thus Comte had his own version of faith, a new "Religion of Humanity." Saint-Simon's was overtly Christian, although broad-minded. I think you are right, in Comte's case the effect was very similar to Deism. Another possibility for love as a source of real world motivation is romanticism, nationalism, etc. So you can see where there could be problems. Is there some other source ? There obviously is the personal. But how do you translate that into public policy ? You could in a large family, either a clan, say, or a lineage like in the case of some European royal families. But that also has problems. Still, in those cases a very workable system comes of it. Its just that, by definition you get an in-group and everyone else. The Mormons sometimes combine the two, religion + large family. You get that in some forms of Hinduism also. BTW, to find out how the Comtean system worked in practice, you might want to look up "Modern Times." That was the name of the Long Island community. Billy ---------------------------------------------------------------- 10/31/2011 8:34:26 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes:
My interpretation: Love as the driver Order as the vehicle and the road Progress as the destination I think positivism inherently believes that a society can be improved by instituting the same rigorous level of empirical study across the board. The motivating factor would be an altruistic (maybe humanist or deist) belief system that drives societal improvement. Some contrasting ideas would be a Platonic system that believes humanity can become better by being more virtuous, naturalist belief systems, systems that deal in eternal, unchanging principles, and those systems of thought that are more based in the critical theory school. On Oct 31, 11:12 am, [email protected] wrote: > "Order and Progress" is how the Brazilians understand it. > > This is used on the national flag. > > But I'm not too sure what Comte actually intended. He was a secretary / > student > of Saint-Simon. There was a Comtean utopian community on Long Island > in the 19th century. At the town of Brentwood. > > How do you interpret Comte's slogan ? > > Billy > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > 10/31/2011 7:50:55 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] > writes: > > Auguste Compte's motto of positivism. Thoughts? > > -- > Centroids: The Center of the Radical Centrist Community > <[email protected]> > Google Group: http://groups.google.com/group/RadicalCentrism > Radical Centrism website and blog:http://RadicalCentrism.org -- Centroids: The Center of the Radical Centrist Community <[email protected]> Google Group: http://groups.google.com/group/RadicalCentrism Radical Centrism website and blog: http://RadicalCentrism.org -- Centroids: The Center of the Radical Centrist Community <[email protected]> Google Group: http://groups.google.com/group/RadicalCentrism Radical Centrism website and blog: http://RadicalCentrism.org
