Let this go on = do nothing to slow or reverse his political momentum. Sure, as long as he continued to get elected to Congress there was little they could do. But this is a presidential campaign and the cost of his nomination would be guaranteed defeat. Can you think of even one ( 1 ) sure state for RP ? He might pick up a few states, one way or another, but can anyone imagine him with more than maybe 3 or 4 ? How to stop him ? E-Z. Roll out the negative attack ads. Attwater showed us all how effective they can be with simple blasts based on not much. In the case of RP there are tons of really bad stuff to make use of. If there is such a thing as a war council in the GOP, those involved must at least want to marginalize RP. If this does continue he could take the party off a cliff. Are Republican big shots oblivious to this danger ? After the recent fiasco in Congress this past week, I wonder about the intelligence of the higher ups in the party. So, maybe they won't do much of anything. But this is serious. Surely some responsible people in the party understand what RP's poll numbers portend if they don't start to slide downward soon. Billy ===================================== 12/23/2011 10:29:25 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes:
Ron Paul thinks so much of "establishment Republicans" that he went Libertarian for President in 1988, opposite Dukakis and Bush the elder. He also thinks so much of them that he is just about a reliable NO vote on everything, including things favored by the GOP leadership. So what do you mean "let this go on?" It's been going on since 1988 and they have been proven ineffective if they have tried to stop it. Gingerich even let him vote against some of his pet things as Speaker to make the rest of the Republican Caucus seem more moderate. David _ “A society that does not recognize that each individual has values of his own which he is entitled to follow can have no respect for the dignity of the individual and cannot really know freedom.”—Fredrich August von Hayek On 12/23/2011 1:19 AM, [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) wrote: This stuff gets more and more bizarre. Back in 2008 all I knew was RP's economic views. Maybe a little of this other material, but not much. Now we can see how deep this gets. About his newsletter, unless he had a big staff, which seems doubtful, probably more like 4 or 5 people, then RP knew every word that was published. Its the nature of the animal. Small newsletters are almost all ideological or specialty professional. Not counting the ones sent by businesses and churches, etc. The private ones do not get published unless someone is a missionary for some Great Cause and spends money on the project. Then, with $$ on the table, he wants every word to reflect his views. I am surprised ( not ) at how poorly TV is dealing with the story, even Sanjay Gupta although his has been the best so far. A lot of belaboring the obvious and overlooking the substance at the level of revealing details. Still, I can't see how the GOP establishment can let this go on, with Paul on a roll. Even if he was an economic genius, which is anything but the case, all this other stuff is positively lethal politically. The Left is waking up to how much they can benefit from this story. As they see it, the story is a large pile of doo-doo and it would be ever so much fun to rub Republican noses in it. What is going on behind the scenes in Iowa ? Another one of those it-would-be-terrific-to-be-a-fly-on-the-wall and listen-in times. Billy =================================== 12/22/2011 9:38:11 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) writes: The John Birch Society 2.0 (maybe 3.0), is mostly an anti-UN, anti-illegal immigration organization now. He's no fan of gays? Uncharacteristic of most Libertarians with "mind your own business" stances being all the rage. Andrew Sullivan is a "Trig Truther" (Bristol Palin is the real mother of Trig Palin), and really has no room to throw bricks at "9/11 Truther" Paul. More like Birds of a feather... However, Sullivan is gay, and if Paul really hates gays then this is an inexplicable endorsement. Lots of things don't make sense here, but then again, Andrew Sullivan is involved... So there. :-) David _ “A society that does not recognize that each individual has values of his own which he is entitled to follow can have no respect for the dignity of the individual and cannot really know freedom.”—Fredrich August von Hayek On 12/22/2011 12:06 PM, [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) wrote: Not in the article, but very much in CNN reports, RP criticized Reagan for approving the MLK holiday --which he characterized as "Hate Whitey Day" BR note ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- New Republic Why Don’t Libertarians Care About Ron Paul’s Bigoted Newsletters? * _ James Kirchick _ (http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/98811/ron-paul-libertarian-bigotry#) James Kirchick Assistant Editor * December 22, 2011 Nearly four years ago, on the eve of the New Hampshire Republican presidential primary, The New Republic published _my expose_ (http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/angry-white-man?passthru=NjNkZTVlNTQ4OWUyMzllYWEzOTg3ZWQ2MDI4Yz AzYTc) of newsletters published by Texas Congressman Ron Paul. The contents of these newsletters can best be described as appalling. Blacks were referred to as “animals.” Gays were told to go “back” into the “closet.” The “X-Rated Martin Luther King” was a bisexual pedophile who “seduced underage girls and boys.” Three months before the Oklahoma City bombing, Paul praised right-wing, anti-government militia movements as “one of the most encouraging developments in America.” The voluminous record of bigotry and conspiracy theories speaks for itself. And yet, four years on, Ron Paul’s star is undimmed. Not only do the latest polls place him as the frontrunner in the Iowa Caucuses, but he still enjoys the support of a certain coterie of professional political commentators who, like Paul himself, identify as libertarians. Most prominent among them is Daily Beast blogger Andrew Sullivan, who gave Paul his _endorsement_ (http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2011/12/ron-paul-for-the-gop-nominati on.html) in the GOP primary last week, as he did in 2008. But he is not alone: Tim Carney of The Washington Examiner recently _bemoaned_ (http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/article/gop-will-take-gloves-if-ron-paul-win s-iowa/264111) the fact that “the principled, antiwar, Constitution-obeying, Fed-hating, libertarian Republican from Texas stands firmly outside the bounds of permissible dissent as drawn by either the Republican establishment or the mainstream media,” while Conor Friedersdorf of The Atlantic _argues_ (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/12/pretending-that-ron-paul-doesnt-matter-wont-make-him-go-away/250035/) that Paul’s ideas cannot be ignored, and that, for Tea Party Republicans, “A vote against Paul requires either cognitive dissonance—never in short supply in politics—or a fundamental rethinking of the whole theory of politics that so recently drove the Tea Party movement.” To be sure, these figures, like the broader group of Paul enthusiasts, don’ t base their support on the Congressman’s years-long record of supporting racism, homophobia, anti-Semitism, and far-right militias. Quite the opposite: Like the candidate himself, they manage to mostly avoid making any mention of his unsavory record at all. It’s an impressive feat of repression, one that says volumes about the type of enthusiasm Paul inspires. Ultimately, Paul’s following is closely linked with the peculiar attractions of the libertarian creed that he promotes. Libertarianism is an ideology rather than a philosophy of government—its main selling point is not its pragmatic usefulness, but its inviolable consistency. In that way, Paul’s indulgence of bigotry—he says he did not write the newsletters but rather allowed others to do so in his name—isn’t an incidental departure from his libertarianism, but a tidy expression of its priorities: First principles of market economics gain credence over all considerations of social empathy and historical acuity. His fans are guilty of donning the same ideological blinders, giving their support to a political candidate on account of the theories he declaims, rather than the judgment he shows in applying those theories, or the character he has evinced in living them. Voters for Ron Paul are privileging logical consistency at the expense of moral fitness. But it’s not simply that Paul’s supporters are ignoring the manifest evidence of his moral failings. More fundamentally, their very awareness of such failings is crowded out by the atmosphere of outright fervor that pervades Paul’s candidacy. This is not the fervor of a healthy body politic—this is a less savory type of political devotion, one that escapes the bounds of sober reasoning. Indeed, Paul’s absolutist notion of libertarian rigor has always been coupled with an attraction to fantasies of political apocalypse. A constant theme in Paul’s rhetoric, dating back to his first years as a congressman in the late 1970s, is that the United States is on the edge of a precipice. The centerpiece of this argument is that the abandonment of the gold standard has put the United States on the path to financial collapse. Over the years, Paul has added other potential catastrophes to his repertoire of dark premonitions. In the early 1990s, it was racial apocalypse, with Paul dispensing “survivalist” tips to the readers of his newsletter like the admonition to stock up on guns and construct fall-out shelters. More recently, he has argued that America’s foreign policy was a “major contributing factor” to the terrorist attacks of 9/11, an argument that has earned him admiration from some liberals. The 2008 financial crisis, the Obama administration’s continuation of many Bush anti-terror policies (and the launching of the Libya War), and the formation of the Tea Party have all boosted Paul’s image as a prescient sage. And so it’s not hard to see why Paul’s more ardent supporters stand by him: They too find it seductive to believe that the United States is on the verge of utter collapse. The benefit of indulging in such visions is that it sets the stage for the arrival of a savior: This is the role that Paul himself plays, of course. Fiercely independent, uncorrupted by the “ establishment,” speaker of unpopular truths, only Paul is capable of saving the country. What are a handful of uncouth newsletters really worth when the stakes are so high? What’s important to realize is that this sort of political myopia is endemic to libertarianism. The movement’s obsession with consistency is actually a mark of paranoia. If you’re already persuaded by Paul’s suggestions that fiat money is what ails our economy, that our country’s foreign policy is rotten to its very core, it’s tempting to take the next step and interpret his failure to be nominated as the result of political persecution. Sullivan, thus, complains of a deliberate media blackout against the Texas Congressman, blaming “liberals who cannot take domestic libertarianism seriously and from neocons desperate to keep the Military Industrial Complex humming at Cold War velocity.” There is a bitter irony of course in the fact that a movement so devoted to individual responsibility is so apt to be on the search for others to blame. Paul of course is the prime example: Here is an absolutist libertarian who advocates the ideals of individual rights and responsibility, yet cannot own up to the words that were published under his name, instead blaming it on a variety of as yet unnamed aides. Some Paul supporters acknowledge the newsletters but dismiss them as “old news,” arguing that there is no trace of the racist and conspiratorial ideas he promoted for decades in his speeches today on the campaign trail. But while it’s true that Paul has not said anything explicitly racist in public, the same cannot be said for his promotion of conspiracy theories. He appears regularly on the radio program of Alex Jones, perhaps the most popular conspiracy theorist in America (_profiled_ (http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/truther-consequences) by TNR in 2009), where he often indulges the host ’s delusional ravings about the coming “New World Order.” He continues to associate with the John Birch Society, the extreme-right wing organization that William F. Buckley denounced in the early 1960’s after it alleged that none other than President Dwight D. Eisenhower was a “dedicated, conscious agent of the Communist conspiracy.” Asked about the group in 2007, Paul _told_ (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/22/magazine/22Paul-t.html?scp=1&sq=Oh,%20my%20goodness,%20the%20John%20Birch%20Society!%20Is%20that%20bad?&st=cse) the New York Times, “Oh, my goodness, the John Birch Society! Is that bad? I have a lot of friends in the John Birch Society.” Indeed, Paul _delivered_ (http://www.jbs.org/birchtube/viewvideo/1007/constitution/ron-paul-at-the-50th-anniversary-of-jbs) the keynote address at the organization’s 50th anniversary dinner in September. In May, Paul _said_ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/12/ron-paul-ordered-bin-laden-raid/) President Obama’s order to execute Osama bin Laden “was absolutely not necessary.” This statement earned a rebuke from Judson Phillips, founder of Tea Party Nation, a movement one would presume would be quite favorable to Paul. “If there is any doubt that Ron Paul should not even get near the Oval Office, even on a tour of the White House,” Phillips said, “he has just revealed it.” If Paul is responsible for conjuring the apocalyptic atmosphere of a prophet, it’s his supporters who have to answer for submitting to it. Surely, those who agree with Paul would be able to find a better vessel for their ideas than a man who once entertained the notion that AIDS was invented in a government laboratory or who, just last January, alleged that there had been a “CIA coup” against the American government and that the Agency is “in drug businesses.” Why, for instance, do these self-styled libertarians not throw their support to former New Mexico Governor Gary Johnson, who, unlike Paul, can boast executive experience and doesn’t have the racist and conspiratorial baggage? At this late stage, that Ron Paul’s supporters haven’t found an alternative candidate says more about them, and the intellectual milieu they inhabit, than it does about the erstwhile publisher of racist newsletters. -- Centroids: The Center of the Radical Centrist Community _<[email protected]>_ (mailto:[email protected]) Google Group: _http://groups.google.com/group/RadicalCentrism_ (http://groups.google.com/group/RadicalCentrism) Radical Centrism website and blog: _http://RadicalCentrism.org_ (http://radicalcentrism.org/) -- Centroids: The Center of the Radical Centrist Community _<[email protected]>_ (mailto:[email protected]) Google Group: _http://groups.google.com/group/RadicalCentrism_ (http://groups.google.com/group/RadicalCentrism) Radical Centrism website and blog: _http://RadicalCentrism.org_ (http://radicalcentrism.org/) -- Centroids: The Center of the Radical Centrist Community <[email protected]> Google Group: http://groups.google.com/group/RadicalCentrism Radical Centrism website and blog: http://RadicalCentrism.org
