Can Americans Elect win even one state ? VERY doubtful. If they get as many votes as the Constitution Party it would be a real accomplishment, and how many states has the Constitution party ever won ? I simply can't take any 3rd party seriously --in terms of the presidency-- unless it has a headliner as candidate for prez. Not someone like Trump. who basically is a rich naif. An actually viable and well known political figure with serious national appeal. Otherwise, it is not possible for me to get very worked up. Billy --------------------------------------------------------------- 1/1/2012 9:21:08 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes:
A decidedly different view of "Americans Elect." David _ “A society that does not recognize that each individual has values of his own which he is entitled to follow can have no respect for the dignity of the individual and cannot really know freedom.”—Fredrich August von Hayek -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [electionwatcher] Will SCOTUS pick POTUS in 2012? Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 16:27:26 +0000 From: Joyce McCloy <[email protected]>_ (mailto:[email protected]) Reply-To: [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) To: [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) This group purports to nominate a third party or independent candidate for President for 2012. They are the antithesis of a democratic organization: 1) their funding is secret, Between 300 and 400 secret donors have given Americans Elect $20 million 2) they will use internet voting and 3) their Board of Directors can override the "results" of the internet "election. 4) AE hopes to broker the 2012 election. Americans Elect Makes Plans to Broker the 2012 Presidential Election | Irregular Times _http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2011/07/21/americans-elect-mak es-plans-to-broker-the-2012-presidential-election/_ (http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2011/07/21/americans-elect-makes-plans-to-broker-the-2 012-presidential-election/) It can't get much more Stalin-esque than that. Learn more at this well documented expose on Americans Elect, by Irregular Times: Americans Elect: A Corporation and a Political Party _Americans Elect_ (http://www.americanselect.org/) is a registered 501c4 corporation with plans to nominate its own candidates for President and Vice President of the United States in the nation's first national online convention in the spring of 2012. _Click here to learn more about 501c4 corporations_ (http://moritzlaw.osu.edu/electionlaw/comments/index.php?ID=7667) and their standing in relations to ethics and ethics law in the wake of the Citizens United Supreme Court decision. In the spring of 2011, _Americans Elect publicly insisted that it is not a political party_ (http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2011/03/22/fact-check-is-americans-elect-not-a-political-party-of-any-sort/) : "Here is what Americans Elect is not. We are not a third party. We are not a political party of any sort." In July of 2011, Americans Elect Chief Operating Officer _Elliot Ackerman declared_ (http://www.philly.com/philly/opinion/inquirer/20110731_The_Pulse__Third_party_to_break_ground_on_electronic_nomination. html) , "The key delineation to make is that we're not a party." These unequivocal claims are contradicted by Americans Elect's observable behavior; Americans Elect has registered as a political party in a number of states:... ... How many elections will Americans Elect hold? What will these elections decide? There are three elections _envisioned by the Americans Elect bylaws_ (http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2011/07/21/americans-elect-makes-plan s-to-broker-the-2012-presidential-election/) , two of them taking place online. The first election is to select an Americans Elect presidential nominee, and only registered Americans Elect Delegates (see below) will be able to participate. The second election is the presidential election on Election Day 2012, one in which the Americans Elect nominee will be on the ballot in all 50 states and in which every registered voter in America will be able to participate as usual. The third election will take place after the November presidential election if no candidate wins a majority of electoral votes. In that circumstance, Americans Elect will hold another online vote of its Delegates to decide whether the Democratic or Republican presidential candidate will be given the electoral votes won by Americans Elect's candidate. This third election would allow Americans Elect to throw the presidency to either party, a powerful position to hold. Americans Elect needs to win just one state in order to occupy that powerful position and trigger a third election. ... more at the link _http://irregulartimes.com/americanselectwatch.html_ (http://irregulartimes.com/americanselectwatch.html) Joyce McCloy NC 27106 __._,_.___ Please give us your town state and zip code when you post a message. Also please avoid personal attacks and policy pronouncements and try to stick to what you have heard or read in your neighborhood or in a publication regarding opinion in this election. Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional _Change settings via the Web_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/electionwatcher/join;_ylc=X3oDMTJncTRhYjRjBF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzExOTI3NzQyBGdycHNwSWQDM TcwNjE1OTg4NARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNzdG5ncwRzdGltZQMxMzI1NDc3Mzc2) (Yahoo! 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