David : There seems to be an interesting twist on the Trayvon case. The story goes beyond what you reported about how Fox has actually reported more than it needed to about the Florida incident. Fox is reporting that there is a witness to the incident . Until now, this has been reported on CNN as the black teen yelling for help. Hence the interpretation that the Mex-American "watcher citizen" was beating up the teen and then sadistically shot him. Not what happened. The witness saw the action. It was the citizen who was yelling for help. He was on the ground getting beaten up. The teen, after all, was a football player. The witness called the cops. When he returned to see what was happening, the Mex-American had somehow managed to find a way to shoot his assailant, the black teen. No way to know if this will hold up but if it does : ( 1 ) the black community --the part making all the noise-- jumped to an unwarranted conclusion and rode it for all it was worth. Baaad move. They have been demonstrating all over the country about something that never happened. ( 2 ) the tendency for black people to defend their own, even when their own are who is in the wrong --the Simpson syndrome-- is what has been on display these past few days. ( 3 ) no-one will call this phenomenon what it is because of Political Correctness. Yet here it is again, another major example of a pathology in the black population that does no-one the least good and which poisons American politics. The corollary is that white Leftists, in this case anyway, are approximately just as culpable. But the MSM will ignore this fact completely and, if anything, will keep on blaming white culture and somehow try to make the Right guilty of something. ( 4 ) those who have shot off their mouth, like Sharpton, can be utterly discredited but, again, this opportunity will be lost because those who could make a difference will not do so out of fear of being called racist. ( 5 ) the Republicans have a huge opportunity to appeal to Latino voters Politically it has been black Democrats and white Leftist Democrats who have been buying into the recent false narrative, all too willing to shaft someone who now seems to have been the real victim, someone who everyone, from day # 1 , knew was Mex-American. But the Republicans will drop the ball for reasons of self-imposed censorship out of fear of being called racist. ( 6 ) a lot depends on how black Republicans express their views So far, the only one I know about is Allen West, but exactly what he said is unknown to me even if I suspect that maybe he also accepted the false narrative --which also seemed to me to have been more-or-less true even if it now seems to have been incorrect. ( 7 ) there is a phenomenon that exists everywhere that is very unhealthy and it can be black or white or any race. I saw this the one year , prior to my becoming a college teacher, when I taught high school, an all white HS in Chicago. When there were discipline problems and a kid's parents had to come into the school to talk with various people, maybe at first the parents would be sort of objective about the situation, maybe not, but if there was a repeat performance, the kid getting into trouble again, forget objectivity, he is innocent or, anyway, it all was understandable and they aren't about to do anything. Sounds to me like Trayvon's mother was defending her son at the expense of the truth and could have cared less if her comments inflamed multitudes. -------------- Well, stay tuned. This is where things are now and we have yet to hear the Mex-American's side of the story. But a lot of people have rushed to judgement and, it could well be that they have all rushed off a cliff. Billy ================================================ 3/24/2012 9:46:12 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes:
Well, I probably won't send my other reply, since it really contains more heat than light. And thanks for this. REALLY. I was thinking that if one wanted a political holy war that there probably exists a more apt target than the Libertarians. Ron Paul doesn't look to have a chance in his Presidential aspirations, and he is leaving his House seat in order to run for it. So we won't have Ron Paul to kick around any more unless he makes some wild comments in front of an open microphone. That's unlike most Texas politicians who seem to keep their positions while running for higher office (I'm looking at YOU LBJ, Lloyd Bentsen, Phil Gramm, George W. Bush, and here lately, Rick Perry). Where in the world are they more likely to gain national political office?? Nowhere, really. So the level of concern about them actually getting in charge and implementing their wild-eyed :-) plans are somewhere close to zero, if not in the negative numbers. So why THIS target NOW?? I thought that we were in MORE opposition to the current Presidential office holder. This seems to be a distraction. So on a electoral threat scale, they are minimal and almost non-existent. Sure, they are going to pick up some uncontested positions that sort of don't exist. There is a provision in the Texas constitution that allows elected County Weight and Measure offices. They only exist in a few counties, and they are all filled with Libertarians because nobody else will run for an office that really does nothing-since most of their duties are the responsibility of the Texas Agriculture Commissioner and the Department of Agriculture. Why bother? Because you can say that you held elective office. Other than that, I don't know what the appeal is. One good thing about the Libertarians: The emphasis on their individual liberty stance generally means that if they support Gay Marriage and you don't, you are not automatically drummed out of the group. You have to drum yourself out. The only exception to this that I have readily seen is that someone who supported Obamacare was being given the right foot of fellowship (in the shorts) because of the standard Libertarian view that the individual mandate would effectively destroy individual liberty. You're generally doing OK with them until you start to take away the liberty of someone else. Therefore, whatever the number of left-libertarians that exist are effectively being ignored by right-libertarians and most of the Libertarian Party. David _ "Free speech is meant to protect unpopular speech. Popular speech, by definition, needs no protection."—Neal Boortz On 3/24/2012 7:05 PM, [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) wrote: David : Actually I deserve some self-censure. I was aware when posting those materials that you just might take some of them personally. Not my intention, but a real possibility. We all have our vulnerabilities, I certainly have my own, but I wanted to make a point that others might read, the group and our lurkers, plus some other people . About lurkers, every so often, it is rare but now and then, I sometimes inadvertently come across sites that discuss something said at RC.org. There are people "out there" who tune in and talk among themselves about our e-mail conversations, and at least once in a while that material gets posted to the Web. OK, may as well take advantage of this fact. Probably something to do with Ron Paul, too, since he is on the news quite often these days and I have strong objections to a number of his policy positions, like, as you know, foreign policy. Can't say for sure, but a good chance that the day before posting I tuned-in to something he was saying and became determined to make a point about libertarianism. Anyway, to be fair, and in at least a couple of selections I did try to be fair, it probably would have been a good idea for me not to have made such a major issue out of the subject. Wrong impression could easily have been created, which happened. I'm genuinely sorry about that I will try to do better next time. Anyway, please don't say bad things about yourself. You're someone I like and respect, and , sure, we disagree about some issues, but that has always been par for the course and is simply part of life. Billy ==================================== 3/24/2012 4:22:33 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) writes: Danke. Ich bin ein Sheisskopf. Auf Weidersehen, Gerhardt PS. I'm doing my taxes and in a foul mood. GEE, I WONDER WHY????? Maybe more later, no promises. -- Centroids: The Center of the Radical Centrist Community <[email protected]> Google Group: http://groups.google.com/group/RadicalCentrism Radical Centrism website and blog: http://RadicalCentrism.org
