Title: "Free speech is meant to protect unpopular speech
Did you post the other review too and my computer ate it?? (Burp!!)

David

"Free speech is meant to protect unpopular speech. Popular speech, by definition, needs no protection."—Neal Boortz

 


On 3/25/2012 10:33 AM, [email protected] wrote:
 
Was Jesus totally Jewish, that Jewishness just beneath the surface of the New Testament
simply waiting to be recognized for what it is ?  Not really.
 
For sure, there is a large element of Jewish faith and tradition in the Gospels and Epistles.
But predominant to the exclusion of everything else ?  Not a chance. There also is :
( 1 ) Christian originality, and
( 2 ) Christian "borrowing" from the traditions of the Greco-Roman-Mid Eastern world
in which  Jesus and the first Christians lived. And "borrowing" really is the wrong word,
you don't borrow the air you breathe and you don't borrow the culture you live in
since it is intrinsic to who you are.
 
While most people  --to understate the case--  are not historians, and while pastors
and other believers have no interest in giving historical credit where credit is due
and prefer, by instinct we might say,  to interpret the NT in terms of the Christian
civilization that arose in the post-Constantinian world, the facts are otherwise. For the
NT is almost a compendium of ancient religion and the traditions of now lost faiths
whose members are no longer alive to point this out.
 
But I am hardly the only scholar to make it clear that the Gospel story and the witness
of the Apostle Paul include major elements which derive from Orphism, from
Isis religion, from classical Greek precedent, from Zoroastrianism, and
from Assyrian faith. About which, given that Jesus spoke Aramaic,
and the language of the Assyrians was Aramaic, it should come
as no surprise that a good number of Jesus' sayings have direct
parallels in Aqahat, one of the few lengthy gospel-like religious
texts to survive to today.
 
All of this said, the Jewishness of Jesus cannot be denied for one minute.
Dom Crossan, anything but an Evangelical ( he is a very independent-minded
Catholic who would have no difficulty as a faculty member of any secular
elite university ), has made this abundantly clear in his massive studies of
the life of  Christ, based on years of scrupulous scholarship. But was Christ's
Jewishness that of "official" Judaism of his time or more akin to small town
and rural "folk Judaism" ?  Clearly the latter. Which throws a monkey wrench
into theories like the book under review in the following article.
 
The way "confirmation bias" works in scholarship is that a rabbi who studies
the life of Christ somehow writes a book in which Jesus comes across as
a first century AD rabbi. If a Baptist preacher was to do likewise,
behold, Jesus was actually a proto-Baptist. If a Jesuit was to write
his own book, Jesus comes across as a sincere Catholic. If a woman
influenced by women's studies was to do so, why, of course,
Jesus was pro-feminist and favored all the ideas of NOW.
And we have seen Jesus, written about by African-Americans
portrayed as probably African, and so forth.
 
Maybe we can do better than that.
 
As for the reviewer's take on anti-Semitism in Christian history, first,
his point is generally valid.  Christian tradition has been largely anti-Semitic
for most of its history.  And, yes, the NT is highly critical of Judaism
and any number of Jews of the time. However,  to leave matters at that
and go on to generalize from there would be a travesty.
 
Jesus and either all or nearly all of the Disciples were, after all, Jews.
So was Paul.  To claim that they were anti-Semitic  as the word is
almost always used these days, would be logically absurd. Were they
prejudiced against themselves  ?  How plausible is that ?
 
Their critique of Jewish religion and its practices was one thing and
criticisms of the Judaeans who ran the religious establishment in Jerusalem
was another.  But events in earliest Christian history is still another
and, in the context of the Roman Empire, there were strong imperatives
for the nascent Christian community.
 
There was the huge uprising of 66 - 70 AD, the so-called "Jewish war."
Christians needed to distance themselves from any such thing and
from the Jewish leadership that fought the war, especially since
it was so costly in lives and wealth to the Romans. Then came the
Bar Kochba revolt of the 120s AD, which was almost as bad,
and which motivated many Romans to become stridently
anti-Jewish. Identification of Christian faith with Judaism
in such an environment  in which Jews were regarded
as de facto traitors, was absolutely intolerable. The most
expeditious way to make it clear that  Christianity was a
thing apart was to adopt major parts of the Roman critique.
Which is what happened and which is what gave later eras
of Christians a very different set of interpretations of the NT
than was the case prior to Bar Kochba.
 
Knowledge of relevant history is not a luxury.
It is absolutely essential.
 
Billy
 
 
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Christian Post

Koshering Jesus a Bit Too Much: A Jewish Review of Shmuley Boteach's 'Kosher Jesus'

 
By Howard Teich , CP Guest Columnist
March 23, 2012

This book review is written in tandem with a review of the same book by Dr. Paul de Vries, president of the New York Divinity School.  

I was thrilled when I read that Rabbi Shmuley Boteach had taken on the very controversial subject of the Jews adopting Jesus as a "member of the tribe" in his new book, Kosher Jesus. I was less exuberant when I went to Barnes & Noble to purchase it, and found that it was catalogued on the Christianity shelf and not under Judaism, even though it was titled Kosher Jesus, with the word kosher first, and written by a rabbi.

Unfortunately, it continued downhill, with a few uphill dashes from there, although on balance I am pleased Boteach wrote this book. The rabbi tried hard to make the case that Jesus was not only a Jew, and a practicing Jew, but that everything about him arose from his Jewishness and Jewish heritage and learning, including his famous creeds and deeds. Boteach turned Jesus into his version of an Orthodox Jew of that time, who only came to Jerusalem during his final days to fight the Romans, and for which he was put to death by the Romans.

Boteach's essential thesis is that the Christians got it wrong. Nothing special was written about Jesus by other rabbis and scholars of his time, everything he said and did, and how it was recorded in the New Testament pre-Paul was taken from the Torah, the Talmud and the great Jewish thinkers. Even Jesus' so-called miracles were common at the time, and really no big deal. Yes, Jesus had a following, and called himself Messiah, but so did others. No credit is given to the unique life he led, and the way it was all woven together to lead people to a new understanding of their lives.

Boteach sees the Jesus story as a Jewish thing, and actually not such a big deal, so in keeping with creating better Christian-Jewish relations today which have improved, his message to the Jewish community is to get over it. The divinity of Jesus, which is anathema to the Jewish community, as well as the anti-Semitic overtones in the New Testament, he ascribes to Paul's retelling of the story. Boteach does that well.

Aside from what I imagine will be significant unhappiness in the Christian community about his historical revisionism from their perspective though, Boteach missed what I consider was an important opportunity to make a significant contribution to our times.

I also have spent extensive time, as Boteach clearly did the in-depth nature of his research is apparent, over the past 10-20 years reading and learning about Jesus and his times, and his importance to Jewish understanding of Christian thinking and for me a greater understanding of our Jewish people and Israel in historical context.

Why did I start this journey of learning? I wanted to understand what it means for the Jewish people to be in Israel today, and how that relates to our earlier experiences in Israel each time we were conquered and lost our homeland. I wanted to learn from history, so we don't make the same mistakes and lose our land again.

I traveled back 2,000 years to the last time we had Israel, and there was Jesus. I found that it was a most significant time even as I traveled further back into history another thousand years. During that time, the Jewish people intermittently controlled Israel, built not one, but two Temples which were both destroyed, and lived under the domination of the Babylonians, then the Greeks and Romans in the few hundred years before the Common Era. All of this history led up to a more secular ruling class of the Jews, who cozied up to their Greek and Roman authorities.

By the time Jesus arrived in Jerusalem, the high priest was appointed by the Romans, and the Temple had lost much of its original Jewish character. It appears that this is the Jerusalem that Jesus arrived in to change. And it should not be dismissed, as Boteach does, for we are facing some of the same conflicts today, and we must learn from them, and listen to people who are standing up for our people, Jews and Christians alike. How many of our current Jewish organizational leaders are in office simply because they were close to the current power structure, and how many have turned into apologists at a time when we need strength?

Boteach sees Jesus' concern solely about the Roman influence, and he does not touch on the subject of Jesus, a Jew, calling on other Jews to change their ways. Dangerous to Roman authorities? You betcha! Dangerous to the Jewish leaders who had sold out their people and religion for money and power? Yes, certainly. Sufficient to get the Jewish high priests and Romans to team up against him? That's certainly a possibility, and his sentencing and death could not have happened but for the Roman authorities. Truth is, this last one — that Jewish high priests and Roman leaders were teaming up against him — gets us in trouble, so we Jews and Christians should simply take a pass on it. I would assume that if there were some Jewish leaders against Jesus, there were also others in his camp. As a Jewish community, we cannot accept the blame that the Jews killed Jesus.

We can use Jesus' example as a warning today, a wake-up call for our own people. And that is the direction I would have actually expected Boteach to have gone and he still can in his commentary and talks. Back in the 1920s, Rabbi Stephen Wise spoke out for the Jewishness of Jesus, and others have studied Jesus as a Jew, some even as a Jewish prophet I am not speaking about Jews for Jesus or conversion. The difference between Judaism and Christianity — and no Jew of note takes us there, nor should nor can--is that the Christian community views Jesus as the Messiah, the son of God, or God himself. That is not a Jewish interpretation of Jesus' life, nor will it ever be. Christians will just have to accept that Jews will always remain certain that the Christians got it wrong this is a point on which to agree to disagree, although a distinctly central point.

This perspective does not belittle Jesus and his life. It raises it. Jews can admire the life he led, and the way he led it. They can learn from him, and what he did. Boteach is right on target here; the learning must come from the pre-Paul Jesus, the real Jesus, yes, perhaps the Jewish Jesus. In the Jefferson Bible, President Thomas Jefferson tried to strip Jesus of his religious overtones; Boteach tries to fit him neatly into Orthodoxy.

I am convinced that we should kosher Jesus; I am just not convinced that Jesus was kosher. I do think Jesus understood that what comes out of one's mouth is more important than what goes into it "listen and understand, what goes into someone's mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of the mouth, that is what defiles them". Boteach's interpretation insists that that is not something Jesus said or meant because Boteach wants to portray him as completely kosher. I would say that you don't have to be Orthodox to be a good Jew, although I have the utmost respect for Orthodox Jews and their traditional practices. But I don't have the sense that Jesus was so traditional.

Where I do agree with Boteach, and this is important, is that perhaps Paul, and then Augustine, created a new Jesus in a new story, that fomented an antipathy towards the Jewish people and the Jewish rabbinic tradition in its formative stage as Christianity was also being launched. This was a time the Jewish people and religious practice were being transformed by the destruction of the Temple and the forced exile of the Jews from Israel. An extraordinary moment for our people with extraordinary and long-lasting consequences.

Yes, Rabbi Boteach creates an important conversation for Jews about Jesus as a Jew, our acceptance of him, and raising his status in our community to a man worthy of our open respect. And for that I applaud the rabbi. I just think that there is too much stretching to make Jesus a traditional Jew, which I don't think he was.

In modern parlance, as Robert F. Kennedy showed in his words and deeds, it may be said that Jesus saw wrongs, and tried to right them — of the Jewish people and humanity and, yes, the Roman rule of Israel. We can and should celebrate him, and respect him as a Jew and as a human.

There are those in our Jewish community who have seen this book as an outrage and even called for it to be banned. Others have ostracized Boteach for writing this book. Some have expressed their concern that at a time when we are losing too many Jews who have chosen to abandon our traditions, this book glorifies Jesus and makes him and Christianity more attractive. We need not fear. We, as Jews, are stronger than that, and our religion, story and heritage are extraordinary. We need not avoid confronting this historic person, a Jew, who has had such a monumental impact on the course of humanity.

As Jews, we should recognize that the Christian world found a new spirit, a new spirituality, in the life and message of Jesus, whether altered by Paul or not, and just accept that. But the message is not the same for us, and the Christians need to accept that. We don't need to lecture the Christians on how they are wrong. And I would hope that, as Rabbi Boteach opens the door a bit more, the Christian world continues its education about the Jewishness of Jesus.

As Israel once again faces dangerous threats from outside forces in our times, we need to know our history. As many in the Christian community stand with us today in support of Israel, and as the Jewish community now stands with the Christian community as it faces its own difficulties in many countries, we can bring more understanding, and closeness, into today's Judeo-Christian communities by continuing the discussion that Rabbi Boteach has started.

This article originally appeared in the Long Island Jewish World group of newspapers, including the Manhattan Jewish Sentinel.

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