Re: [RC] Despite GOP Claims, High Gas Prices Are Not Obama's Fault - TIME

Mon, 26 Mar 2012 22:41:42 -0700

Title: "Free speech is meant to protect unpopular speech
Yep. That it has. A regulation caused shortage, where the regulation got ahead of the technology.

David

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On 3/26/2012 5:16 PM, Chris Hahn wrote:

Access to refineries is also a factor.  There are significant refineries in Billings, MT, which helps us in this area.  Not only did we see coal trains when we drove to Denver, but we also saw long oil trains after we passed Billings. 

 

The flip-flopped prices for gas and diesel attest to the effect of refinery capacity.  Before “clean” diesel was mandated, diesel was cheaper, as it is in Europe.  As I understand it, refineries were not up to producing the clean diesel, so prices went way up.

 

Chris

 

 

 

 

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected]
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 4:04 PM
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Subject: Re: [RC] Despite GOP Claims, High Gas Prices Are Not Obama's Fault - TIME

 

 

Chris :

Yes, local gvt policy also effects the price at the pump. And while I cannot say

for sure, since, as Ernie pointed out , SC has low gas prices now, as does NJ,

it may also be important for pricing if a state has a major oil port since we

do continue to import maybe a fourth of our oil, maybe a third.

Add in local factors like gvt policy, local demand based on

local mix of industry and demographics, and there is no simple

way to think about pricing.  Still, the interior states, by and large,

are in far better shape in terms of pump price and

the commonality is access to Canadian oil.

 

Billy

 

 

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3/26/2012 2:43:38 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes:

I drove though Wyoming last week with lengthy coal trains passing by occasionally.  Trucks were carrying well casing headed for the oil fields.  Prices at the pump were about 3.29.  It is over 3.50 in Montana, but not much.  It is good to live in a producer state.  I think that the big difference between, say, MT and WY is tax.

 

Chris

 

 

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dr. Ernie Prabhakar
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 3:36 PM
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Subject: Re: [RC] Despite GOP Claims, High Gas Prices Are Not Obama's Fault - TIME

 

Hi Billy,


On Mar 26, 2012, at 2:21 PM, [email protected] wrote:

Why the difference ? Supply.  The states with the lowest gas prices have the most access
to Canadian oil.

 

I'm not seeing the data to support your claim:

 

 

Why does South Carolina have lower prices than Nebraska, but higher than Georgia?

 

Can you cite a source for your claim:

 

 Keystone would add to the supply nationally and, therefore, would lower prices.
To repeat something said before, but I guess which went unread, approval of Keystone
would have an immediate impact on the futures market.

 

Yeah, I think I missed that.

 

As soon as it was signed, but
especially as soon as  contracts for construction were let,  gas prices would start
to come down, and it has little to do with China or India, nations that get almost
all their oil from the Mid East.

 

That's certainly possible, but by no means obvious.  

 

Again, the actual facts may be moot, since we're talking about politics, but I'd love to see your data...

 

-- Ernie P.

 

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