Ernie :
An excellent  article, right down my alley. 
 
But there is another way to look at the  problem. Some autobiography
is necessary, so please bear with me on  this.
 
There were several life-long lessons I  took with me from the time
when I was a true-believer  Baptist.  Whatever else has been true
in my life since my early 20s, no longer  a member of a Baptist church
by then, these lessons have remained  central to who I am as a person.
In other words, in my Baha'i years you  could say that I was a 
Baptist-Baha'i,
in the years when Buddhism has been a  preoccupation nonetheless the
form that Buddhism took for me was, you  might say, Baptist-Buddhism.
And so forth for everything  else.
 
The lesson most relevant here was the  idea, given me by Baptist sermons
at North Shore Baptist Church and  reinforced many times over at Baptist
summer camp at Green Lake , Wisconsin,  was simply this :
Faith is the most important thing in life,  it concerns your eternal
salvation, your ultimate destiny, to use  different terminology.
 
Of course, I could never become a  pastor, as two good friends
from my teen years had gone on to  become, there were simply
too many serious problems with some  particular Baptist views
such that I left the church, but the  point about salvation registered
forever, no question about  that.
 
Basically these problems centered on my  views about other faiths
and about sexuality. That is, first,  while obviously there are differences
between religions, and while Christian  faith is special in any number of 
ways,
no way could I dismiss the profound  good in a number of "other faiths,"
especially not after getting to know,  personally, a number of 
non-Christians
and especially not , when considering  the many Jews I knew in Chicago
when still a youngster and then a young  man.
 
About sexuality, what we might call  "Victorianism" from early on struck me
as ill-advised. Were we all supposed to  be some equivalent of Protestant
monks or nuns, at least prior to  marriage ?  Yes, Paul said so, or came 
close
to saying so,   or  not    Years later, reading the Epistles with more  care
than was possible for me early in life,  it turned out that he was far more
nuanced than I was led to believe and  more flexible than most people ( 90 
% + )
give him credit for. But life had gone  on and Baptists and most other
serious Christians interpreted Paul to  be pretty much a Victorian.
 
In other words, my personal heresy, a  more flexible understanding of
sexuality than one usually finds  in  'hard line'  Christian churches,
was Pauline all along. But to find this  out , for me, it took leaving
the church and exploring all kinds of  ideas elsewhere., and getting to
know all kinds of people who were  anything but Baptists.  I also learned
that all sorts of views about sexuality  taken as true by many of these 
"others"
were genuinely dysfunctional, but out of  all of this came a new 
understanding
of the issue. This only took maybe 30  years but, heck, I'm a slow learner.
 
Some lessons were by way of observation,  decidedly not experience,
"observation" that might feature lots of  research rather than anything 
else,
hence my totally uncompromising  criticisms of homosexuality,  but along
the way there were many people to deal  with who took pro-homosexual views.
Some of them were friends. So it took  time to work through that set of
problems, also. 
 
These basics out of the way, now is a  good point to get back to the theme :
Religion, religious  faith as the most important thing in life. 
 
For everyone who takes this view there  are different ways to understand
the personal imperatives that  necessarily follow from it.  My imperatives
won't be the same as your's, your's  won't be the same as someone else's, 
and so forth for each of us   --here and  everywhere. 
 
But some set of imperatives  follow and from them, whatever they are,
and from them comes solid commitment  that withstands every test.  
This is not to say  that one's specific beliefs may not need to be  revised 
at times in life ; for most people there may be  several crisis points in 
life 
where there are "private reformations."  Or at least 2 or  3 such points.
 
So the question comes down to this, for  anyone : Do you believe,
deep down inside, that religious  faith really is crucial to your life ?
That, in a sense, nothing else could  possibly be more important ?
For if anyone answers "yes," then a foundation exists to
move mountains.  Maybe an awkward metaphor but
hopefully the idea is clear enough.
 
Which is to say that the "gathering  storm" in Christian faith, with
parallels in just about all other  religions, is caused by lack of
this view of faith, by another view to  the effect that 
any number of "other" things actually  are more important.
 
IF this is true the question simply is  this :  How is it possible 
to get the point across that, indeed,  nothing else can be as important ?
Or : What is the  evidence that supports this understanding
and how can you educate others to  examine this evidence ?
 
This does not say that the understanding  you  --anyone--  had of faith
at age 14 suffices for age 21 or  35,  but it does say that whatever new
views you arrive at nonetheless are  based on the "axiom" that
faith   --which can be  conceived in a number of ways--
has to be central to life. 
 
That is, the issue is commitment based  on conviction. Lose this and 
lose everything.
 
Possibly the problem at large is that  too many people never really
think of faith along these lines. For them opinion   --of  friends,
associates in the world of business, people in politics or the media,  etc--
is more important. To the extent that this is true, then one's "house  of 
religion"
surely is built upon sand. 
 
How, then, do you    --anyone--  find justifiable grounds for conviction
in the first place ?  
 
This really is vital. All I can tell you  is my solution : The answer has to
be approximately as much a matter of  education  ( in a very broad sense
by no means limited to schools ) as well  as spiritual experience. 
 
That is, and about this I think my  outlook is more Catholic than not, 
there absolutely needs to be a strong  balance of faith as inspired
by personal experience and faith as a consequence of serious study
and investigation and hard thinking,  something like philosophical
questioning.   This kind of  thinking and investigation also needs to
be as open-minded as possible without  compromising one's
principles so that you learn all the  lessons you are able to learn
from people who are different than you  and who may believe
different things. All of this has to be  taken into account.
But do this, and the result, at least so  it seems to me,
is to build your house on a foundation  that
is as solid as anything can possibly  get.
 
The problem I see is that way too  many "houses" are built on sand.
And no wonder that a crisis is brewing  in religion.
 
Maybe this helps a little. Best I can  say for now.
 
Billy
 
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4/13/2012 1:23:41 P.M. Pacific Daylight  Time, [email protected] writes:

 
This, like David's essay, deserves  serious commentary.
Will try to get to this later, when  time allows.
 
Billy
 
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4/13/2012 1:10:06 P.M. Pacific  Daylight Time, [email protected] 
writes:



>From one of the blogs I just cited.  Don't know much about them, but what 
I've seen I like so  far...


_http://www.christandpopculture.com/elsewhere/tim-keller-ross-douthat-and-ch
ristianitys-decline-in-the-us/_ 
(http://www.christandpopculture.com/elsewhere/tim-keller-ross-douthat-and-christianitys-decline-in-the-us/)
 



 
Tim Keller, Ross  Douthat, and Christianity’s Decline in the US
Over at Redeemer’s _City to City Blog_ 
(http://redeemercitytocity.com/blog/view.jsp?Blog_param=420) , Pastor Tim 
Keller has written a post in which  he 
interacts with some of the ideas in NYT columnist _Ross Douthat’s_ 
(http://topics.nytimes.com/top/opinion/editorialsandoped/oped/columnists/rossdouthat/
index.html)  upcoming book entitled _Bad Religion: How We Became a Nation 
of  Heretics_ 
(http://www.amazon.com/Bad-Religion-Became-Nation-Heretics/dp/1439178305) . 
Per the publisher’s request,  Keller does not quote from, or offer a formal 
review of, Douthat’s book, but  instead pens a post regarding Douthat’s 
essential premise: Christianity has  been and still is in decline in the 
United States. Keller calls Douthat’s  ideas “essential reading for all 
Christians seeking to understand  Christianity’s relationship to culture in the 
US.”
 While that may seem to  some people an overstatement, I don’t think it an 
exaggeration. Most people  recognize this premise as a reality (whether they 
view this decline as a  problem or a victory is another question). However, 
far fewer people seem to  recognize the essential nature of the problem, 
much less the sense in which  they might be participating in it. 
While Keller’s post is worth  reading in full, one particular section is 
noteworthy. Referencing Douthat’s  second chapter, Keller offers five “major 
social catalysts” for  Christianity’s decline since the 1960′s: 
1) First, the political  polarization that has occurred between the Left 
and Right drew many  churches into it (mainline Protestants toward the Left, 
evangelicals  toward the Right). This has greatly weakened the church’s 
credibility in  the broader culture, with many viewing churches as mere 
appendages and  pawns of political parties.  
2) Second, the sexual  revolution means that the Biblical sex ethic now 
looks unreasonable and  perverse to millions of people, making Christianity 
appear implausible,  unhealthy, and regressive.  
3) Third, the era of  decolonization and Third World empowerment, together 
with the dawn of  globalization, has given the impression that Christianity 
was  imperialistically “western” and supportive of European civilization’s  
record of racism, colonialism, and anti-Semitism.  
4) The fourth factor has been  the enormous growth in the kind of material 
prosperity and consumerism  that always works against faith and undermines 
Christian community.   
5) The fifth factor is—that  all the other four factors had their greatest 
initial impact on the more  educated and affluent classes, the gatekeepers 
of the main culture-shaping  institutions such as the media, the academy, the 
arts, the main  foundations, and much of the government and business  world.
What’s striking to me is how  self-evident these points seem even here at 
Christ and Pop Culture.  All you need to do is read Alan Noble’s column “
_Citizenship Confusion_ 
(http://www.christandpopculture.com/tag/citizenship-confusion/) ” each week to 
see how confused a good  many Christians are about 
points 1 (political power posturing) and 3 (the  perpetuation of racism and 
imperialistic kingdom-building is more than an  impression, is it not?). Or 
take, for example, some of the comments in Faith  Newport’s most recent “
_The Female Gaze_ 
(http://www.christandpopculture.com/asides/the-female-gaze-great-expectations/) 
” column to see almost word-for-word evidence  of point 2 
(Christianity’s “old fashioned” sexual ethic). One commenter  suggested 
the following regarding sexual ethics from a Christian  perspective: 
Having a discussion based on  intellect, exploring ideas other than the 
ones we have shoved down our  throats every Sunday, admitting that the things we
’ve been told might not  be entirely accurate or relevant anymore[.] . . . 
Christians today are so  against questioning the Bible, the church 
teachings, and “the way it’s  always been” and I cannot be a part of something 
so 
disconnected from  logic.
While point 4 (materialistic  consumerism) is in many ways connected with 
the 1st point (political power  posturing), the 5th factor seems especially 
important: those in charge of  the major culture-shaping institutions have 
been most significantly affected  by the first four factors. For a thorough 
examination of this top-down  institutional phenomenon, UVA sociologist _James 
Davison Hunter’s_ 
(http://www.amazon.com/To-Change-World-Possibility-Christianity/dp/0199730806/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1334017491&sr=1-1)
  
book, To Change the World: The  Irony, Tragedy, and Possibility of Christianity 
in the Late Modern  World, is an absolute must-read. Or, at the very least, 
Carissa Turner  Smith’s excellent _essay_ 
(http://www.christandpopculture.com/featured/to-change-the-world-there-are-better-reasons-for-engaging-culture/
)  on Hunter’s book is well worth the  time. 
What seems especially evident  is that Christians recognize the above 
issues but often misunderstand the  nature of them. How many see Christianity’s 
decline as a culture war that  needs to be won by electing the right 
political officials? Or, how many see  Christianity’s decline as attributable 
to 
risque television programs and  increasing rights for homosexuals, and yet 
overlook our in-house troubles  with sexual promiscuity and essentially-dead 
marriages? Or, how many see  Christianity’s decline as a battle to be won with 
the Middle East? Or, how  many see Christianity’s decline as the slow 
uprising of “socialism,” and  thus the repression of financial and material 
prosperity? Or finally, to  speak to the 5th point, how many Christians see 
Christianity’s decline as  the triumph of “leftist” institutions, and yet fail 
to equip and support  people to enter into these institutions instead of 
perpetuating the  _scandal of the evangelical  mind_ 
(http://www.amazon.com/Scandal-Evangelical-Mind-Mark-Noll/dp/0802841805) ? 
In my opinion, Keller pointedly  adds to the discussion when he invokes 
Lesslie Newbigin: 
Lesslie Newbigin blames the  marginalization of Christianity in the West on 
the outworking of the 18th  century Enlightenment—which promoted the 
sufficiency of individual human  reason without faith in God—for a great deal 
of 
the shift. In this he  understands historical patterns as being caused by 
ideas and intellectual  trends working their way out through a society’s 
institutions. I see no  reason why Newbigin’s history-of-thought approach and 
Douthat’s  sociology-of-knowledge approach cannot both be  right.
The story of autonomy’s  enthronement and steady decay centers on the 
imperative to qualify freedom  with self-restraint. If nothing else, the 20th 
C. 
taught us that Reason  itself isn’t a sufficient cultural authority. Indeed, 
you might say that the  decline of Christianity comes down to this issue of 
cultural authority, from  who it derives, and how it ought to be achieved. 
Perhaps, in our attempts to  maintain a dominant cultural position and fend 
off any decline, we have in  many ways become a religious mirror of what it 
is we are fighting against by  adopting a stance more concerned with the 
kind of freedom that forces the  Other to submit to one’s purposes. It’s that 
false freedom that is  essentially self-absorption cloaked in nobility. 
It’s no secret nor coincidence  that Christianity flourishes when people 
are willing to put their lives on  the line to love their enemies. It’s urgent 
that we American Christians  reevaluate our purposes and cross-check them 
with He whose name we claim to  bear witness. Christian love is costly, but 
not more costly than selling our  souls to achieve America’s driver seat. 
Particularly when not only do the  ends not justify the means, but the means 
aren’t even producing the ends. We  need to take seriously the outlined 
factors above, and learn how “love the  Lord your God” and “love your neighbor 
as 
yourself” might be judiciously  applied to them. Christianity’s 
resuscitation to authenticity in this part  of the world depends on it.



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