HI Billy,

On Apr 16, 2012, at 1:33 PM, [email protected] wrote:

> Ernie :
> As much of a comparative religionist as I am, plus pro-evolution and non-blue 
> nose
> about heterosexuality, about the Bible there is this "fundamentalist" streak 
> in me
> that is here to stay.
>  
> You said :
> " liberal Christianity that is accepting of homosexuals and abortion..."
>  
> Is this genuine Christianity or is it another religion which simply makes use 
> of
> traditional Christian language to mask its un-Christian character ?

I tend to agree with you, but fundamentalists make the same mistake, conflating 
political positions with moral ones.

> Anyway, Barton's point was that BHO is anti-Biblical.
> About that I don't see where there is much wiggle room
> for disagreement.

No, but I don't think Obama is unique in that regard.  Heck, he never literally 
took a scissors to the BIble like Jefferson did!

I strongly suspect Obama's worst crime is that he attacked religious issues of 
particular importance to Barton and the Republican Right.   That's bad, but 
from a purely Biblical basis, I wouldn't be surprised if many previous 
Presidents were much, much worse.

E

>  
> So it boils down to the worth / value / authority of the Bible when read 
> carefully
> for original intent and for here-and-now spiritual guidance.
>  
> Billy
>  
>  
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>  
>  
> 4/16/2012 1:20:58 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] 
> writes:
> Hi Billy,
> 
> On Apr 15, 2012, at 8:44 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> Don't take my word. Read the numerous examples since 2008
>> of Obama's anti-Jewish, anti-Christian,  and pro-Muslim statements.
>> My count is that there are 49 major examples, each one documented
>> in the reputable media. 
> 
> I dunno, there's a lot of connecting dots here to put the most negative slant 
> possible. The facts are correct, but the interpretation isn't exactly 
> ironclad.
> 
> You can certainly make the case that Obama is a blueblood secularist liberal. 
>  He adheres pretty consistently to liberal rationalist dogma, and ignores 
> religious view that conflict with that agenda; while of course patronizing 
> "minority" religions that are the darling of the Left.
> 
> That's not the same as direct hostility to Christianity, though; I don't 
> think he has any opposition to a liberal Christianity that is accepting of    
> homosexuals and abortion and downplays the value of evangelism. 
> 
> Then again, Obama's apathy/contempt towards religious rights (especially of 
> the Religious Right :-/) is probably more damaging than outright hatred would 
> be, so the larger point holds.
> 
> -- Ernie P.
> 
> 
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