Title: "Free speech is meant to protect unpopular speech
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David

"Free speech is meant to protect unpopular speech. Popular speech, by definition, needs no protection."—Neal Boortz

 


On 4/20/2012 1:37 PM, Dr. Ernie Prabhakar wrote:
Hi Billy,

I agree completely.  Of course, you and I both recognize the irony that many Baptists idolize being Baptist...

-- Ernie P.

On Apr 19, 2012, at 9:32 AM, [email protected] wrote:

Idolatry  ( continued )
 
To limit the meaning of the word "idolatry" to the most obvious cases of this practice is to miss the reason for why idolatry is regarded as a grievous sin.  The following materials give examples of the many forms that idolatry can take, and veneration of statues or images is only one form out of many. Indeed, I had thought that this kind of understanding, that idolatry is something that takes innumerable forms,  was commonplace  --even universal--  but it now seems that it is not.
 
Maybe the best place to start is with a Baptist definition, since this is most uncompromising. But let me say at the outset that there are other definitions , including Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and Buddhist, which also deserve to be considered.
 
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from the site : BaptistBoard.com

Idolatry occurs when something other than God is given praise or honor that gives to a subject a power, worth or authority apart from God. True worship recognizes that all created things derive their power and authority only from God.

Idolatry is allowing anything in your life to take the place of God.

He alone is our source of life and He alone is our provider of all things. Therefore, when we allow money, sex, drugs, alcohol, TV, jobs, hobbies, chocolate, shopping, etc. to set our schedule, direct our spending, calm us, encourage us, drive our thoughts and actions we have allowed them to become an idol in our lives and usurp God's rightful place.

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Clearly, then, idolatry consists of false attribution to things other than God / the Holy, etc. 
--your choice of terminology--   of things that belong to God.  This is a "salvation first" outlook. 
In other words, an act of formal worship to a religious image, or to any other object, is
not necessary for idolatry to  exist. Idolatry exists when something other than one's faith
comes first in life   --because salvation is  the most important thing in life. Indeed, there is
no comparison possible in terms of what should be most important.
 
Hence the many Protestant sermons I have heard over the years to the effect that worship
of money is a form of idolatry, or worship of social status, or worship of prized possessions,
or many other things, all are forms of idolatry.  Obviously this means metaphorical worship,
not actually bowing down to a stack of greenbacks, for example,  or saying prayers to a
box filled with currency. Quite simply it  means putting money first, Christ second
( or even further down the line ). The exact same principle applies to status worship,
as when someone puts getting that promotion at work above everything else. It also applies
when someone cherishes an art collection, or a prize race horse, or one's house, anything,
above faith   --faith in Christ, as Baptists would say.
 
Images may be central to idolatry but sometimes images are beside the point.  Still, it is
worth pointing out that for several centuries Buddhists avoided all representation of
Gautama in visual form   --because it was all too easy for many people to venerate
a statue and in the process lose sight of the essential message of Buddhism, which
is all about seeking enlightenment, being compassionate, respecting life, finding
a livelihood ( vocation ) that is right for you, and so forth.
 
So, for many years all that was permissible in Buddhist art was to show a space
in a painting where Buddha would have been, or just his footprints. Eventually this
practice was dropped, allowing for images, but only on the strict understanding
that visual forms were NEVER to be venerated and must always be regarded simply
as the work of artists seeking to show respect to the memory of Gautama, something
to help in remembering his life and teachings,  but nothing else.
 
This is pretty much the Catholic view, but in a Christian context.
 
Here are a number of sources on the subject that may be useful .
B Rojas
 
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Idolatry is a pejorative term for the worship of an idol, a physical object such as a cult image, as a god,[or practices believed to verge on worship, such as giving undue honour and regard to created forms other than God. In all the Abrahamic religions idolatry is strongly forbidden, although views as to what constitutes idolatry may differ within and between them. In other religions the use of cult images is accepted, although the term "idolatry" is unlikely to be used within the religion, being inherently disapproving. Which images, ideas, and objects constitute idolatry is often a matter of considerable contention, and within all the Abrahamic religions the term may be used in a very wide sense, with no implication that the behaviour objected to actually consists of the religious worship of a physical object....

The avoidance of the use of images for religious reasons is called aniconism, which has been an aspect of all major religions at times, some much more consistently than others. The destruction of religious images within a culture is called iconoclasm, of which there have been many major episodes in history.

 
 

Idolatry in many forms  [ Wikinoah ]

...Many religions hold that the purpose of worship is to bring one into connection with divinity. Any set of beliefs or practices which significantly interferes with this may, at some point, be termed idolatry. Examples might include:

  • A very strong belief in the inerrancy of a holy book, this would equate the book with God...
  • A very strong attachment to one's country that a religion considers inappropriate. In this case nationalism could be considered a form of idolatry.
  • A very strong desire to gain sex and wealth that a religion considers inappropriate. In this case greed could be considered a form of idolatry.
  • A very strong desire to gain fame or recognition that a religion considers inappropriate. In this case egocentrism could be considered a form of idolatry.
  • Worshipping one of God's creations (The Sun, moon, water, a cow, sheep, or king) instead of the One God who created them.
  • An obsessive desire to earn money could be classified as idolatry.
 

Christian theology requires proselytizing, the spreading of the faith by gaining converts by use of trained missionaries. This often caused hostile relationships with pagan religions and other Christian groups who used images in some manner as part of religious practice.

Fundamentalist Protestants often accuse Catholic and Orthodox Christians of Traditionalism, Idolatry, Paganism and Iconolatry since they do not "cleanse their faith" of the use of images.

Catholic and Orthodox Christians use religious objects such as Icons, incense, the Gospel, Bible, candles and religious vestments. Icons are mainly in two and rarely in three dimensional form. These are in dogmatic theory venerated as objects filled with God's grace and power -- (therefore Eastern Orthodoxy declares they are not "hollow forms" {see idol} and hence, not idols). Evidence for the use of these, they claim, is found in the Old Testament and in Early Christian worship.....

In Orthodox apologetics for icons, a similarity is asserted between icons and the manufacture by Moses (under God's commandment) of The Bronze Snake, which was, Orthodoxy says, given the grace and power of God to heal those bitten by real snakes. "And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any person, when he beheld the serpent of brass, they lived"(Numbers 21:9). Another similarity is declared with the Ark of the Covenant described as the ritual object above which Yahweh was present (Numbers 10:33-36); or the burning bush which , according to Exodus, allowed God to speak to Moses; or the Ten Commandments which were the Word of God "Dabar Elohim" in tablet form. These inanimate objects became a medium by which God worked to teach, speak to, encourage and heal the Hebrew faithful.

 
 
 

Wikipedia

[ Ancient Jews ]

There is no one section [ in the Old Testament ] that clearly defines idolatry; rather there are a number of commandments on this subject spread through the books of the Hebrew Bible, some of which were written in different historical eras, in response to different issues. Taking these verses together, idolatry in the Hebrew Bible is defined as either:

  • the worship of idols (or images)
  • the worship of polytheistic gods by use of idols (or images)
  • the worship of animals or people
  • the use of idols in the worship of God.

In a number of places, the Hebrew Bible makes clear that God has no shape or form, and is utterly incomparable; thus no idol, image, idea, or anything comparable to creation could ever capture God's essence. For example, when the Israelites are visited by God in Deut. 4:15, they see no shape or form. Many verses in the Bible use anthropomorphisms to describe God, (e.g. God's mighty hand, God's finger, etc.) but these verses have always been understood as poetic images rather than literal descriptions. This is reflected in Hosea 12:10 which says, “And I have spoken unto the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and by the hand of the prophets I use similes.”

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Bibliolatry (from the Greek biblion "book" + latreia "worship") is the worship of a particular book.

In the case of Christianity, the term bibliolatry is used in a derogatory sense toward those who either have an extreme devotion to the Bible itself, or hold to a high view of biblical inerrancy.[3]. Those who esteem Biblical inerrancy point to passages such as 2 Timothy 3:16-17, stating that the Scriptures, as received, are a perfect (and in some views, complete) source of what must be known about God. Critics of this view call the view a kind of idolatry, and point to verses such as John 5:39-40 to point out that Jesus was asking humanity to relate to God, not just seek God's rules and spurn a relationship with the God who created them.[4]

Historic Christianity has never endorsed worship of the Bible itself, as worship is explicitly reserved only for God. That is to say, Christians consider the Bible as a kind of signpost which points to God, rather than considering the Bible, as a book, itself as valuable as God himself. Some Christians believe that biblical authority is derived from God as the inspiration behind the text, not the text itself [5]. So the term is not a reference to an actual belief, but is often used as a pejorative term to negatively label perceived practices of theological opponents. The groups to whom the term is most often applied are Protestants of a fundamentalist and evangelical background who hold to Biblical inerrancy and Scripture as the only divine authority.

Disputes exist as to whether the King James Only movement is or is not a form of bibliolatry.

[ Clearly the Koran is, for believing Muslims, an object to worship, based on the view that the book in a "real", sense IS God on Earth. "Bibliolatry" would be a misleading term in this case and there are less semantic problems simply to characterize this as idolatry, viz, veneration of the Koran as if it was not only "sacred" in a religious sense, but embodying Allah. Muslim views of the Koran, which derive directly from the Koran itself, are no different in essence that ascribing living divinity to a statue, which is exactly what basic idolatry consists of.   BR  Comment ]

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from an essay with this title :

American Idolatry - Is it a practice involving the majority?

What is Idolatry?

Idolatry is most commonly thought of as a practice of worship whereby someone ascribes to an image or some kind of statue qualities of godhood. Often times worship, ceremony of some nature, and/or reverence is directed toward this object. The Bible speaks warningly against practicing idolatry of this type.

Another form of idolatry is also mentioned in the Bible. This form of idolatry does not include specific objects openly. This form includes certain practices and loyalties which consume the time and energies of the practicing adherents. The more recent generation has entered into a practice of idolatry, which I would like to call the American Idolatry. This form of idolatry is described in Colossians 3:5-6 which says,

Col 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
Col 3:6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
Col 3:7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.

[ We can focus ]...on the issue of covetousness, although the other forms are equally as prevalent in our current society.

Idolatry is further described in the context of rebellion and stubbornness. In this passage rebellion and stubbornness are equated by the conjunction "and." It is suggested that stubbornness comes first and that rebellion is the consequence of a stubborn characteristic. It is a matter of degree. Yet stubbornness is compared to iniquity and idolatry.  Note 1 Samuel 15:23.

1Sa 15:23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

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a Traditional Protestant view...

 

from the site : revelife

Nationalistic Idolatry

Idolatry is the sin of glorifying and aligning ourselves with gods other than the Triune God of the Bible who is revealed in Jesus Christ. The first commandment given to Israel at Mount Sinai was to "have no other gods before" YHWH (Exodus 20:3). We know that idolatry does not demand we bow down to idols made of wood, gold, or stone but that it can occur within our hearts and that our gods/masters can be anything [ including ]... the numbers in our bank accounts. Anything that we allow to reign in our hearts so that is has authority over us and ends up leading us, taking our heart and mind captive, that is a false god whom we worship.

A popular form of idolatry is nationalistic idolatry. It often comes to power under the guise of patriotism. What happens is that Christians mix up the priority of their kingdom-of-God-citizenship identity with their earthly-national-citizenship identity, allowing the two to mix together in a way that allows their earthly-national-citizenship to become more important to them, and thus more ruling in their lives, than their identity which is found in Christ Jesus. In shorter words, nationalistic idolatry is putting country before/above Christ or even confusing the two. ...

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selections from :

Idolatry and Christianity

Wikipedia

The New Testament also uses the term "idolatry" to refer to worship like passion for things such as wealth. One can see evidence of this in Colossians 3:5, "Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed which is idolatry." Some Christian theologians see the absolutization of an idea as idolatrous.[3] Therefore, undue focus on particular features of Christianity to the exclusion of others would constitute idolatry.

Martin Luther did not object to the use of religious images per se, but he did object to various beliefs that were associated with them. In particular, he objected to the practice of invoking the saints that was often associated with images of the saints. He was also concerned that those who erect beautiful and costly images would presume to think they had done a good work that would earn them merit with God. Yet these concerns did not prevent him from allowing new Lutheran altarpieces, often of the Last Supper, in many of which leading reformers were portrayed as the apostles. John Calvin was always extremely hostile to all publicly-displayed images, which were systematically destroyed by Calvinists, as in the Beeldenstorm in the Netherlands. Towards the end of the 16th century there were disputes between Lutherans and Calvinists, with the former put under pressure to destroy images. Though both groupings did not object to book illustrations or prints of biblical events, or portraits of reformers, production of large-scale religious art virtually ceased in Protestant regions after about 1540, and artists shifted to secular subjects, ironically often including revived classical mythology.

Many Protestants, especially evangelicals or fundamentalists, believe that attributing holiness or power to human relics, fosters disbelief in God's omnipotence, and his independent and sovereign will, and suggests to fallible humans that God can be manipulated. To them, this is the essence of sinful idolatry. However, other Protestants disagree with this assessment.

In reference to holy places, it is argued that God is no less accessible here and now than he is in a distant holy place. To support this notion reference is made to John 4:21-24, "Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." According to John 4:23, Jesus spoke these words to a Samaritan woman who asked whether men should worship God on Mount Gerizim, the Samaritan place of worship, or at the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem. Many Protestants read Jesus' response as dismissing the importance of such divisions. They interpret this passage to mean that true worship is a matter of the spirit, the mind and the heart — in other words, it is highly abstract. Sacred places, shrines, and ritual tools and forms are, at the very least, not of the essence of worship.

Many Protestants hold that veneration and worship are for all practical purposes identical. Protestants who hold this position also believe that sacrificial worship (which Catholics and the Orthodox call latria) no longer holds a place in Christian worship. Christ's sacrifice on the Cross is unique, unrepeatable, and complete for all time, so that no human act can add or subtract from its power, or lay claim to its saving efficacy. On the other hand, Catholics and Orthodox hold to the above statement also, and believe Protestants unwittingly make false dichotomies.

Most typically, modern Protestants are no longer offended by religious art, or pictorial representations of Jesus, as was certainly the case in the 16th century. However, some consider it necessary to avoid religious use of these objects, especially as the focus of communal worship. In order to avoid praying before them, lighting candles to them, and other acts that make it appear as if the image itself is holy or an object of devotion, many Protestants avoid locating any representational art in front of the congregation, although exceptions may be made for the Christian cross and, sometimes, an image of the Face of Christ or the Good Shepherd. In most cases, it is the devotional use, especially, that is avoided.

 
 
 
 
 

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