* What if the governments of China and North Korea both implode in the next 
 decade?

 
Ernie, I cannot begin the guess. That would be a "game changer" like  
nothing else
in geopolitics since some of the major crises the Cold War era.  Or  even
since the immediate post WWII era.
 
Billy
 
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4/30/2012 9:39:20 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected]  
writes:

A great  point.  We tend to live in the present.  


As a counterpoint to your very well-thought out future scenario,  Billy:


* What if the governments of China and North Korea both implode in the  
next decade?


Both seem inevitable; the only question is whether it will be gradual or  
sudden.


-- Ernie P.


On Apr 30, 2012, at 9:31 AM, [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected])  
wrote:





NY Times
 
The Day  After  
By BILL  KELLER
Published: April 29, 2012 

 
THE one thing everyone knows about _North  Korea_ 
(http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/northkorea/index.html?inline
=nyt-geo)  is that we know very little about North Korea, except that it is 
 miserable, totalitarian, nuclear and erratic. It is the hermit kingdom, 
the  dark side of the moon. 
 
But thanks to many thousands of refugees who have  reached freedom by way 
of a long underground railroad through China, we know  a lot more now about 
the grim reality. We understand better how the  government sustains its 
dreadful power, and where that power could be  faltering. Among people who 
follow 
the country closely, there is fresh  discussion of whether this most 
durable of monster-states could be nearing  its end days, and what we should do 
about it.  
In recent weeks the news spotlight has focused on  the 29-year-old novice 
tyrant _Kim  Jong-un_ 
(http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/k/kim_jongun/index.html?inline=nyt-per)
 , performing his family’s 
time-tested repertoire of bellicose  bluster. Like a lunatic waving an assault 
rifle as he dances on a high  window ledge, Kim galvanizes our attention. 
 
But the more interesting story is down below.  
I’ve just read Blaine Harden’s “_Escape  from Camp 14_ 
(http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/12/books/escape-from-camp-14-by-blaine-harden.html?pagewanted=al
l) ,” the harrowing story of a young man’s flight from one of  the slave 
labor camps where as many as 200,000 political unreliables — a  category that 
includes not just those who run afoul of authority but their  relatives for 
three generations — are sent to be starved, tortured and  ultimately worked 
to death. The political camps are just part of a larger  network of 
detention sites designed to crush any spark of free will.  Harden’s story of 
Shin 
Dong-hyuk differs from the best previous refugee  narratives — “_The  
Aquariums of Pyongyang_ 
(http://books.google.com/books/about/The_Aquariums_of_Pyongyang.html?id=8XzbKfI2-GUC)
 ” by Kang Chol-hwan, Barbara Demick’s “_Nothing 
to  Envy_ (http://nothingtoenvy.com/) ” — because Shin was in every sense 
a product of Camp 14. Born in  captivity to a pair of inmates picked by camp 
commanders for a loveless bit  of procreation, Shin grew up with no 
awareness of anything beyond the  electrified fences. He is like the 
boy-narrator 
of Emma Donoghue’s novel  “Room,” whose entire world is the backyard shed 
where he and his kidnapped  mother are held captive. Except that the boy in “
Room” knows love.  
Harden’s book, besides being a gripping story,  unsparingly told, carries a 
freight of intelligence about this black hole of  a country. It explains 
how the regime has endured longer than any of its  bestial prototypes: longer 
than Hitler, longer than Stalin, longer than Mao,  longer than Pol Pot. The 
tools are enforced isolation, debilitating fear,  dehumanizing hunger and 
utter dependence on the state. By the time he was a  teenager, Shin had 
watched a teacher beat a 6-year-old girl to death for  hoarding five kernels of 
corn; worse, he had betrayed his own mother and  brother, and had witnessed 
their public execution without remorse.  
Yet Shin, who is not exactly a master escape  artist, manages to evade the 
state’s controls, and along his stumble to  freedom he encounters many 
others who — not in words, certainly, but in  practice — are defying the 
system. 
What strikes you is how the shackles of  totalitarianism are being corroded 
by bribery, barter and  black-marketeering, including a thriving 
cross-border trade with China. It’s  still a crushingly oppressive regime, 
arbitrary 
and brutal. But more often  than you would imagine, need trumps fear.  
Harden’s narrative is reinforced by more  systematic studies. When David 
Hawk of the Committee for Human Rights in  North Korea researched the first 
edition of his camp exposé “The Hidden  Gulag” in 2003, some 3,000 North 
Koreans had found asylum in the South,  including several score of former 
political prisoners. When he returned for  the second edition, just published, 
the 
pool of refugees was 23,000, and  included hundreds who had endured 
detention. The updated report is a vivid  chronicle of horrors, illustrated by 
crisp Google Earth photos that make the  slave camps as palpable as suburban 
real estate on Zillow.  
And yet, Hawk told me, “The numbers who want  reform and opening, and the 
numbers of people outside the state system, are  growing.”  
Fifteen years ago, when many Korea scholars were  predicting that — with 
the end of life support from the former Soviet Union  — the Pyongyang regime 
could not survive, _Marcus  Noland_ 
(http://www.iie.com/staff/author_bio.cfm?author_id=26)  of the Peterson 
Institute for International Economics wrote a 
 contrarian piece in Foreign Affairs explaining “_Why  North Korea Will 
Muddle Through_ 
(http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/53230/marcus-noland/why-north-korea-will-muddle-through)
 .” He was right at the time, so he is  
worth listening to when he says that these days he suspects the regime is as  
fragile as it has ever been. Many of the most watchful experts agree. The  
obvious reason for doubt about the regime’s stability is the new leader, who  
seems even less qualified than his father and grandfather to manage his  
threadbare police state. His first attempt to prove his manhood by _firing  off 
a long-range rocket_ 
(http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/14/world/asia/international-condemnation-follows-north-koreas-failed-rocket-launch.html?ref=northko
rea)  ended in an emasculating misfire.  
More important, Kim Jong-un inherits a system  whose legitimacy, such as it 
ever was, is being rotted away from below.  Korea-watchers have an 
expression to describe what seems to be happening, as  a lawless commerce 
undermines 
central control. They say “the market is  eating the state.”  
Along with food, clothing and tools, the border  trade has brought the 
North Korean populace information about the world  outside. North Korea has 
almost no Internet, but smuggled radios, TVs, DVDs  and cellphones have become 
more common, circumventing the propaganda  monopoly.  
“North Korea has not discussed the Arab Spring,”  Noland told me. “But in 
the marketplaces, people were talking about Egypt.”  

Don’t expect a popular uprising of that kind in North Korea. There is  no 
Twitter-equipped youth brigade, no Muslim Brotherhood. As one Korea hand  
told me, “People surviving on 800 calories a day literally don’t have the  
energy to confront the regime.” The more likely scenarios involve some kind  of 
collapse, sparked by Borgia-style infighting, an army coup or a military  
exchange with one of the neighbors.
 
If the regime is truly tottering, we may have been  focused on the wrong 
questions about North Korea.  
The engagement camp asks: How can we lure them  back to the table so that 
we can persuade them to disarm? I’m all for  diplomacy, and would be 
overjoyed by a verifiable peace deal. But the North  Korean leaders have 
established 
to all but the most wishful thinkers that  they have no intention of 
shedding their weapons programs, and that they  cannot be trusted to keep a 
bargain.  
The regime-change camp asks: Where can we squeeze  to hasten the collapse? 
We can tighten sanctions aimed at the elite and  amplify the honest 
information we broadcast to the populace. And let’s stop  soft-pedaling the 
truth 
about the slave camps. But there’s no strangling the  Kim regime without the 
help of China; and China has legitimate fears that a  bursting North Korea 
would spill over its borders.  
The big question we should be asking is: What  about the Day After? If the 
regime’s days are numbered, the end is likely to  be messier than anything we
’ve seen in the Arab Spring. Why aren’t we  sitting down with the Chinese, 
South Koreans, Japanese and Russians and  making a plan to prevent nuclear 
material from being sold to the Russian  mafia or the Chinese triads; to 
keep some panicky general from incinerating  Seoul (minutes away as the 
artillery shell flies); to dissuade China or  Russia from sending in troops to 
take 
advantage; to prevent Nuremberg-minded  prison commandants from bulldozing 
the evidence into mass graves; to fend  off an even more monumental human 
calamity than the famine of the mid-90s?  Then, how do we reunify Korea 
without bankrupting the South? These are the  questions we and North Korea’s 
neighbors should be asking, together and  urgently.  
Because when North Korea goes, the Day After is  likely to last 20 years. 



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