Billy,

 

While your no deductions for anything tax scheme has intellectual appeal, it
is about as likely to be implemented as Ernie's maximum majority voting
scheme, which would be the biggest and best possible way to truly break up
the current bi-polar red/blue war.  Some great ideas are unlikely to be
implemented.  Unfortunately.

 

Chris

 

 

From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 10:39 AM
To: [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: [RC] The Blue-State Suicide Pact

 

 

This is not an endorsement of the article. Personally I favor some kind

of system where there is a top income tax rate of 25% except in times

of declared national emergency. But no deductions for anything,

meaning anything at all. And no capital gains, either, nothing.

But the top rate would be 25 %.

 

Still, the article makes some worthwhile points.

 

Billy

 

 

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Forbes

 

 

 <http://blogs.forbes.com/joelkotkin/> Joel Kotkin, Contributor 

12/04/2012 @ 5:40PM |16,542 views 


The Blue-State Suicide Pact


 

With their enthusiastic backing of President Obama and the Democratic Party
on Election Day, the bluest parts of America may have embraced a program
utterly at odds with their economic self-interest. The almost uniform
support of blue states' congressional representatives for the
administration's campaign for tax "fairness" represents a kind of bizarre
economic suicide pact.

Any move to raise taxes on the rich - defined as households making over
$250,000 annually - strikes directly at the economies of these states, which
depend heavily on the earnings of high-income professionals, entrepreneurs
and technical workers. In fact, when you examine which states, and
metropolitan areas, have the highest concentrations of such people, it turns
out they are overwhelmingly located in the bluest states and regions.

Ironically the new taxes will have relatively little effect on the detested
Romney uber-class, who derive most of their income from capital gains, taxed
at a much lower rate. They also have access to all manner of offshore
dodges. Nor will it have much impact on Silicon Valley millionaires and
billionaires, or the Hollywood moguls and urban land speculators who
constitute the Democratic Party's "good rich," and enjoy many of the same
privileges as their wealthy conservative counterparts.

The people whose wallets will be drained in the new war on "the rich" are
high-earning, but hardly plutocratic professionals like engineers, doctors,
lawyers, small business owners and the like. Once seen as the bastion of the
middle class, and exemplars of upward mobility, these people are emerging as
the modern day "kulaks
<http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/stalin.htm> ," the
affluent peasants ruthlessly targeted by Stalin in the early 1930s.

The ironic geography of the Democratic drive can be seen most clearly by
examining the distribution of the classes now targeted by the coming purge.
The top 10 states <http://www.bestplaces.net/>  with the largest percentage
of "rich" households under the Obama formula include true blue bastions
Washington <http://www.forbes.com/places/dc/washington/> , D.C., which has
the highest concentration of big earners, Connecticut, New Jersey, Maryland,
Massachusetts, New York <http://www.forbes.com/places/ny/new-york/> ,
California and Hawaii. The only historic "swing state" in the top six is
Virginia, due largely to the presence of the affluent suburbs of the
capital. These same states, according to the Tax Foundation
<http://taxfoundation.org/blog/monday-map-average-tax-savings-one-year-exten
sion-bush-tax-cuts> , would benefit the most from an extension of the
much-lambasted Bush tax cuts.

The pattern of distribution of "the rich" is even more marked when we focus
on metropolitan areas. Big metro areas supported Obama, particularly their
core cities, by margins as high as four to one. Besides New York, the metro
areas with the highest percentage of high-earning households include such
lockstep blue cities as San Francisco
<http://www.forbes.com/places/ca/san-francisco/> , Washington, San Jose
<http://www.forbes.com/places/ca/san-jose/> , Atlanta
<http://www.forbes.com/places/ga/atlanta/>  and Los Angeles.

The income tax hit may not be the only pain inflicted on these areas in the
President's drive for greater "fairness." Moves to curb mortgage interest
deductions for affluent households also would fall predominately on these
same areas. The states with the highest listing prices - and the biggest
mortgages on average - are the president's home state of Hawaii, followed by
the District of Columbia, New York, California and Connecticut. According to
the Census Bureau and the Federal Housing Agency, median home values in
California
<http://www.doctorhousingbubble.com/middle-class-california-dream-what-is-mi
ddle-class-for-california-incomes-real-estate-prices-migration/>  are 200%
higher than the national median, and in New York they're 150% higher; in
contrast, red Texas' prices are below the median.

The contrast in prices is even greater between metropolitan areas. The
highest prices - and thus largest mortgages - are in the deep blue havens
<http://cgi.money.cnn.com/tools/homepricedata/>  of San Francisco, New York
and Los Angeles. If the mortgage interest deduction is capped for loans,
say, over $300,000, homeowners in these cities will suffer far more than in
key red state cities like Dallas or Houston, where homes are at least half
the price.

The curbing of the mortgage interest deduction constitutes only one part of
a broader effort to cut back on all itemized deductions. This would hit
states with the highest rates of people taking such deductions
<http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323353204578128993929594584.h
tml> : California, New York, the District of Columbia, Connecticut and New
Jersey, according to the Wall Street Journal. In contrast, the states least
vulnerable to this kind of leveling reform would be either red states such
as Indiana, Alaska or Kentucky, or classic "swing" states such as Iowa and
Ohio.

Of course, one can argue that these changes follow the precepts of social
justice: Rich people and rich regions should pay more. Yet being "rich"
means different things in different places, due to vast differences in costs
of living. The cost of living in New York and Los Angeles, for example, is
so high that the adjusted value of salaries rank in the bottom fifth in the
nation
<http://www.forbes.com/sites/joelkotkin/2012/07/09/the-cities-where-a-payche
ck-stretches-the-farthest/> . In other words, a couple with two children
with a $150,000 income in Austin or Raleigh may be, in terms of housing and
personal consumption, far "richer" than one making twice that in New York or
Los Angeles. (See "The Cities Where A Paycheck Stretches The Furthest
<http://www.forbes.com/sites/joelkotkin/2012/07/09/the-cities-where-a-payche
ck-stretches-the-farthest/> ")

What would a big tax increase on the "rich" mean to the poor and working
classes in these areas? To be sure, they may gain via taxpayer-funded
transfer payments, but it's doubtful that higher taxes will make their
prospects for escaping poverty much brighter. For the most part, the
economies of the key blue regions are very dependent on the earnings of the
mass affluent class, and their spending is critical to overall growth.
Singling out the affluent may also reduce the discretionary spending that
drives employment in the personal services sector, retail and in such key
fields as construction.

This prospect is troubling since many of these areas are already among the
most unequal in America. In the expensive blue areas, the lower-income
middle class population that would benefit from the Administration's plan of
keeping the Bush rates for them is proportionally smaller, although the
numbers of the poor, who already pay little or nothing in income taxes,
generally greater. Indeed, according to a recent Census analysis
<https://www.census.gov/hhes/povmeas/methodology/supplemental/research/Short
_ResearchSPM2011.pdf> , the two places with the highest proportions of poor
people are Washington, D.C., and California. By far the highest level of
inequality among the country's 25 most populous counties is in Manhattan.

Finally we have to consider the impact of the new tax rates on the fiscal
health of these states. Four of the five states in the poorest shape
fiscally, according to a recent survey
<http://finance.yahoo.com/news/the-best-and-worst-run-states-in-america-1504
15625.html>  by 24/7 Wall Street, all have congressional delegations
dominated by Democrats - California, New Jersey, Rhode Island and Illinois
(the one red state is Arizona). Slower economic growth brought about by
higher taxes - compounded by high state taxes - is unlikely to make their
situation any better.

So what can we expect to happen if the fiscal cliff appears, or if the
President and his party get their taxes on the rich? One can expect a
proportionally greater impact on citizens and the budgets of the already
expensive, high-tax states, where the new kulak class is concentrated. It
may also spark a greater migration of people and companies to less
expensive, lower-tax areas.

Perhaps the greatest irony in all this is that the Republicans, largely
detested in the deep blue bastions, are the ones most likely to fall on
their swords to maintain lower rates for the the mass affluent class in the
bluest states and metros. If they were something other than the stupid
party, or perhaps a bit more cynical, they would respond to the President's
tax proposals by taking a line from their doddering cultural icon, Clint
Eastwood: make my day.

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