For as the notes of a lute can make various tunes with different  names
though each retains its own pitch, so the elements combined
among themselves in different ways as can be accurately inferred
from the observation of what happened [ in nature ] . Land animals
took to the water and things that swim migrated to dry land.....
Wisdom of Solomon  19 : 18 - 19
 
 
 
 
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The story --actually two stories--  in Genesis 1 are enchanting,  morally 
useful,
and take us back to a time in history when human beings began to try  and
explain the mysteries of nature. Genesis also opens a door to the  world
of ancient Mesopotamia since the Biblical creation accounts ( and much else 
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are, in part, derivative of similar and much older stories from the land  of
the Tigris and Euphrates. However,  to regard these stories as  consistent
with many particulars of modern science is untenable    --unless you allow
the Bible's own testimony into court, namely that a "day" of creation  is
like a "thousand" years to God ( viz some huge period of time,  "thousand"
is used the way the Chinese use 10,000, signifying "many" or some  large
incalculable number ) and the conclusion of Wisdom of Solomon  which
specifically , in terms of Hellenistic science, posits a form of  evolution
as normative in nature.   In other words, strict creationism  falls apart
because it cherry-picks which Bible verses to consider and ignores
those verses that say something very different and which are, in  fact,
consistent with modern science.
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_Created History_ (http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/created
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Creationists are an endless source of logical fallacies and pseudoscience.  
There are several reasons for this – creationism is institutionalized 
motivated  reasoning, they have had over a century to make up fallacious 
arguments, and  evolutionary theory is complex and multifarious so there are 
many 
opportunities  for distortion and error. 
For this reason creationism is an excellent foil for learning critical  
thinking skills. But it is also challenging, because effectively countering  
creationist arguments often requires a thorough and accurate understanding of  
evolutionary theory, geology, paleontology, genetics, and even astronomy 
and  physics, in addition to familiarity with creationist arguments 
themselves. Often  the errors in logic and distortion of scientific facts are 
subtle 
or a few  layers deep, and having only a superficial understanding of the 
arguments can  get even scientists into trouble. This is partly why the 
infamous Duane Gish was  so “successful” debating evolutionary scientists in 
public – they knew the  science but they did not have a mastery over 
creationist 
nonsense. 
A recent example of this, in my opinion, comes from debate.org. A_  debate 
was started by someone wishing to defend evolutionary theory_ 
(http://www.debate.org/debates/The-fundamentalist-doctrine-of-Young-Earth-Creationism-is-in
compatible-with-cosmic-realities./1/comments/2/)  who  wished to focus on 
one issue (it’s always a good idea to keep any such debates  as focused as 
possible). His position is this: 
This is a debate that can take many forms and include many arguments, but I 
 will simply make one observation that I think immediately decides the  
debate: 
“The fundamentalist idea that the universe is only a few  thousand years 
old must also come with a denial of the known, immense distance  between other 
galaxies and our own. If the cosmos were only a few thousand  years old, 
and the speed of light is accepted as known, then we would have no  way of 
seeing these very distant galaxies, the light from which having to had  
traveled billions of years to make them visible to us.”
This position is, of course, absolutely correct.  Light had to travel for 
billions of years to reach the earth – therefore the  universe must be 
billions of years old. From a scientific point of view there is  no debate 
here. 
But, of course, creationists have heard this argument before and  they have a 
response. I don’t think the person defending the above statement  
adequately dealt with their known response either in the original statement or  
in 
rebuttal. Here it is: 
“It’s really not that hard to answer those questions no matter what  
understanding you come from. God of course created them full grown to start  
with. Adam did not have to wait for the trees to grow old enough to bear fruit  
from a seedling start. God did not create trees as seeds in the ground, and  
God according to Genesis did not create an egg for the first chicken to 
hatch  from. The Starting place of growth of all creation is clearly full grown 
 adulthood. 
The light-year travel time is clearly by the same extension created already 
 reaching the earth. Basically at the same extension that God created all 
the  matter and energy and photons in the star light-years away, he also  
simultaneously created every photon from its rays traveling to  earth.”
God, creationists say, created the light already on its way to the earth. 
The  defender of evolution in this debate tried to deal with this by saying 
that the  parameters of the debate were science and therefore any argument 
about God or  the bible is outside those parameters, but that is a tangential 
way to argue the  point, and the original reference to “the fundamentalist 
idea,” it can be  argued, opens the door to fundamentalist arguments. 
It is better, in my opinion, to address the many problems with this line of 
 argument head on. The main problem with the creationist defense is that it 
is  non-falsifiable (a point which is eventually made in the debate). It is 
the  equivalent of saying, “it’s magic,” or “and then a miracle happens.” 
These  statements are indeed not allowed in science, because they are 
incompatible with  scientific methods and logic. If you can wave a magic wand 
and 
fix any apparent  contradiction or disconfirming evidence, then you are not 
doing science. 
>From a purely logical point of view it also makes for a closed belief 
system,  immune to refutation. 
The problem is not that creationists cannot accommodate their beliefs to 
the  evidence, the problem is that they cannot do so without invoking magic or 
 miracles – the unlimited power of God. 
There is another more embarrassing problem for the creationist position (to 
 clarify, in this article I am referring to young earth creationists) – not 
more  fatal, but more silly. The creationist in this debate, as with 
creationists  generally, is assuming that the only problem with the speed of 
light 
and cosmic  distances is that of light reaching the earth from distant 
objects. There is a  much greater problem, however – light reaching the earth 
from distant events.  Those objects (galaxies, in this example) are not 
static. They have a  history. 
Let us consider, for example, supernovae. These are events that are 
occurring  all over the universe, on average about once per galaxy per century. 
Let’
s say  God created a star in the Andromeda galaxy 6,000 years ago. The star 
was created  mature, near the end of its life (for the sake of argument, let
’s grant  creationists that premise), and so it quickly goes supernova. The 
light from  that event would still take about 2 million years to reach the 
earth. The only  way we can see a supernova in Andromeda is if that event 
took place 2 million  years ago. 
If creationists are now going to rescue their concept of a young universe  
with the argument of created history they have a serious logical problem on  
their hands. This would mean that God, for some reason, not only created 
light  from existing stars all along its path to the earth, but imbued that 
light with  a fake history of that star, including all the things that would 
have happened  to that light if it actually had been traveling along that 
path for millions or  billions of years. This includes being bent by gravity 
and absorbed in gas  clouds. 
God also must have created streams of light from fake stars that never  
existed, to create the illusion that such a star did exist but went supernova  
millions or billions of years ago. 
In other words – the analogy to creating mature trees or animals does not  
hold. God must have not only created a “mature” universe with light already 
 traveled to some arbitrary distance, but he also created an entire fake 
history  of the universe, including events that never actually took place. 
This is why this creationist argument has been often mocked by saying that  
God could just have easily created the universe 5 minutes ago, but imbued 
the  universe with a fake history, including all your own memories, and a 
history of  people that never actually existed. There is no fundamental 
difference between  saying God created the earth 6,000 years ago with a fake 
history of billions of  years, or 5 minutes ago with a fake history of billions 
of 
years. 
This brings us back to the closed irrefutable belief system. The 
creationist  argument leads unavoidably to the conclusion that God created a 
universe 
that  looks exactly, in every detail, as if it is 13.75 billion years old 
with a  natural history and evolution. When scientists investigate that 
universe, that  is what they will find. By creationist’s own argument, then, 
the 
scientific  answer to the question of the age of the universe is 13.75 
billion years, and  the answer to the question of how life came to its current 
form is organic  evolution. The evidence (fabricated by God or not) leads 
unavoidably to these  conclusions. 
Creationists must believe, based upon faith alone, that the world is not  
really the way it appears, but was recently created by an unfathomable God to 
 create the illusion of history. They can now waste their time wondering 
why God  would do that. 
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Comment : 
_Ori Vandewalle_ (http://www.anomalous-readings.blogspot.com/) on 03 Jan 
2013 at 11:30 am  
This is where Ockham’s razor is useful. 
Hypothesis A: The universe appears to be 13.7 billion years old because it  
is. 
Hypothesis B: The universe appears to be 13.7 billion years old because the 
 Christian god created it specifically to appear as if it were 13.7 billion 
years  old, when in fact it is only 6,000 years old. 
Hypothesis B has a few extra implicit assumptions as well. First, God is a  
perfect, omnipotent being who nevertheless created the human species in his 
own  image with some very serious design flaws. Second, God is an 
omnibenevolent  being who is nevertheless lying to all humans about the true 
nature 
of the  universe (and also filled it with evil). 
None of these assumptions presents entirely intractable problems, but they  
are still extra assumptions that must be dealt with. And Ockham’s razor 
doesn’t  tell us what is ultimately true, but it does tell us which hypothesis 
a good  scientist should proceed from, and that’s the first hypothesis. 

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