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Note : Estimates of the frequency of coprophilia among homosexuals
vary widely. What is most plausible to me is that the figures are roughly
the same as they are for rectal sex, a best estimate being around 40 %.
But some writers claim an 80% or higher incidence rate and some
put it closer to 10 %. No way to be sure. In any case the tally
is somewhere in the low millions in the United States.
Do you favor "gay rights" ? If so, probably without knowing it,
you are also supportive of coprophilia. And much else, including
high incidence levels of sado-masochism .Can you live with that ?
This article is all-too-typical and is anything but an aberration
in reporting.
BR
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January 1999
Exploring Coprophilia
A lot to digest
By Bill Andriette
It has all the elements of sexual drama-- shattering taboos, a pungent
assault on the senses, and plenty of cozy warm wetness. Plus it involves rectum
and anus, not just organs of elimination, but-- for gay men especially--
gateways to pleasure.
So why aren't more of us into shit play?
Nausea might have something to do with it. Even the most accomplished scat
aficionados-- people who for whom smearing, wallowing in, and swallowing
excrement makes them happy as the proverbial pig-- usually report that when
they first tasted shit, they threw up.
"Oh, it was a challenge!" recalls David, who is 38 and lives in Boston.
"The first couple of times I got into mutual shit scenes, the minute I came I
went running to the bathroom and puked. During the scene it was fine, but
as soon as I came, the mentality wasn't there anymore, and the whole thing
just grossed me out."
Even experienced scat lovers can find nausea at the borders of enjoyment.
"The goal of every true shit eater is to see how much he can eat before he
barfs," contends Rob, a 38-year-old Philadelphia lawyer.
"From the standpoint of pure taste, shit is bitter," says Neal, another
Boston scat fan. "And of course you always have that odor wafting up your
nose. The quality of the experience is such that after ten or 20 seconds,
there's an almost automatic gag response."
Hardly glowing testimonials for shiteating-- coprophagy, if you want to
get technical. But there's more to it, Neal insists, for those prepared to
brave this not-absolutely safe form of sexual hijinks. "Shit has another
taste, which is psychological. There is an incredible connection that occurs
when you are lying down on your back and there is a guy who you are very
excited about standing over you, crouched down, holding his knees."
Neal continues. "He's got his anus pushed into your mouth and he starts to
defecate, he starts to push shit out of his hole. There is an amazing
psychological joining that occurs. This place-- the bowels, the sphincter, the
asshole-- has got a primeval, primitive connection to the most fundamental
things inside a man. It's so goddamn intensely personal and sexual."
As much as from stimulating genitals, erotic pleasure comes from playing
games with our minds. Sex fools around with one's sense of self, identity,
control, and destiny. These are all issues for which shit is a running, if
submerged, theme. The polymorphously perverse infant is pleasurably attuned
to the tides of its bowels, their filling and emptying, tension and release.
As babies, we bawl for food and defecate with blissful irresponsibility.
Then civilization imposes itself. Via the scolds and scowls of parents, the
primitive joys of shit and piss are transformed into disgust. Thus, to make
a long story short, are pleasure-seeking babies extruded into anxious,
responsible, career-minded adults.
For most people, shit emerges from behind closed bathroom doors only in
sickness or at the end of life. The shit of bedpans and Depends greases the
passage from adulthood back into infantlike dependency, and finally, out of
society entirely. We complete fleshly existence as the excrement of worms
and microbes. As much as it is the end- product of the plants and animals we
eat, shit is a symbol of demise.
With its starring role in the drama of the self's origins and ends, it's no
wonder that shit is as suffused with erotic potential as it is smelly, and
that scat lovers wax poetic and mystical about excrement. L David
recalls he first ate shit as an initiate into a secret neighborhood club of
fellow 12-year-old boys, the class of humans drunkest on ritual and magic.
"Sharing shit is one of the most secret acts men have," relates Rob. "I've
known
guys who have actually thought of it as a sacrament."
Shit play takes on religious overtones in part because, like getting nailed
to a crucifix or fasting on a pillar in the dessert, it's an extreme and
testing experience. Putting shit in one's mouth is an attempt to resolve a
paradox: how could something so intimately connected with the body and with
food be so disgusting? It's a question as viscerally and intellectually
compelling as that of God's existence in a world where millions perish
agonizingly in gas chambers and AIDS wards. To believe in God or eat shit
requires
a courageous, and potentially unjustified, leap of faith. But only the
latter can lay you low with a case of hepatitis.
As with faith, people approach shit play in steps. Cory, a 25-year-old gay
man, says that starting when he was about 15, he used to fantasize about
falling into the hands of a gang of straight toughs. "In my mind I would have
them take control over me," he tells The Guide. "They would make me blow
them, fuck me, completely dominate me, and then use me as a toilet."
When he was 17, Cory began to play with his own turds. "I would go into the
bathroom, shit on top of the toilet seat or in a dish, and then while
masturbating, I would lick it and smell it," he says. 'The orgasm was so
intense." But afterwards came guilt. "I didn't know if it was right or if I
should be doing anything like that. I still feel that way. I don't know why."
Cory said that he had never talked with anyone about his interest in shit
until he responded to The Guide's query for people interested in coprophilia
He has engaged in shit play with only one other man. They connected over
the phone lines, ostensibly just for vanilla sex. "We were sixty- nining and
I was licking his ass. He said, 'What do you want me to do?' and I said,
'I want you to shit on me.' The minute I saw it start to come out I just put
my mouth on it and I let him go right in my mouth."
Cory's fantasy had come true. "It was really thrilling having this guy let
me eat his shit," he recalls.
"I felt like it was a privilege to do it for him. And I actually chewed it
and swallowed."
Nonetheless, Cory says he remains deep in the closet about his shit
interests. His lover doesn't have a clue, Cory says, and he has no plans to
tell.
For Mike, who is 23 and lives in Shreveport, Louisiana, shit happened only
gradually. The main theme of the sex he and his older lover have is
dominance and submission, and scat developed out of their regular SM play,
with
Mike taking the bottom. "I would lay in the tub and he'd piss on me", Mike
says. "Then later it got to where he'd shit on me. He'd piss on me first, and
then he'd turn around, and I'd be eating his ass and then he'd do it."
But it was "just the other day," Mike says, that he crossed the Rubicon and
actually ate his lover's shit. "You fantasize about it, and it sounds
great until you actually do it," Mike reports. The gagging was intense, he
says. "To me the taste was bitter, and the overall feel of it in your mouth is
real thick; it's like, yechh!" Timing was part of the problem. "When he
finally did it, I was too close to coming," Mike suggests, "otherwise it
wouldn't have been such an automatically gross thing." But gagging aside, Mike
says he is fascinated about trying to eat shit again, next time when he
isn't so close to orgasm. But Mike adds that his lover feels ambivalent about
shit play, and isn't sure he wants to do it.
WITH MORE than a few bowel movements to have passed his lips, David's
puking days are behind him. The 38-year-old Bostonian is a player in the small
but accomplished fraternity of scat. David says shit play is his main erotic
interest and activity, one that he shares with his lover, who he met on
the shit circuit. With the help of Jack's Number Two, a Houston-based
magazine that is the Baedecker of gay scatology, David says he has no trouble
finding scat buddies. "There are about 15 people in the Boston area who are
listed, and I know most of them," David says. "From the list I've gotten
together shit parties, with about a dozen people. That's when my living room
gets wall-to- wall plasticized, we put on a couple of scat films, and just
have a good time."
David has assembled a motley crew of scat friends. One guy he knows bakes
aged turds into choco late chip cookies and makes his partners eat them. Not
just any old shit will do: it has to be excre ment carefully aged in a jar
kept in warm place, on the radiator or a sunny windowsill. "There's one
time he came over the apartment," David recalls, "and I said, 'Well, I don't
have any aged shit so let me zap it.' So I put some in the microwave, and
it stunk up the whole building."
Another of David's pals is into infantilism, and likes to don diapers and
assume the identity of a toddler. But he has a rep for not being able to
dump on demand, the scatological equivalent of chronic limp dick. "I knew he
was coming over so I didn't flush the toilet that morning," David recounts.
"When he arrived, I just went in and grabbed a handful and put it down his
diapers and slapped him around with it. That's how he got his rocks off."
The infantilist and scat scenes are overlapping but distinct. Neal says he
enjoys having a few beers at a bar ("It has to be a cool bar") and just
letting go. "I find it really-exciting to be in a public place and piss or
shit in my jeans," he says, "maybe because I'm breaking away from that control
society places on kids when they are toilet trained." But throughout the
experience, Neal says, his self- conception remains resolutely that of a
grown man.
Submission and domination is also a regular theme of shit play, but "top"
and "bottom" can shift places. Shitting on a partner could be a definite
turn on for a top. But being made to strip, squat, and defecate could be a
bottom's wet dream, also. Last spring, a scandalized media brought the
scatological exploits of Philadelphia insurance executive Ed Savitz to every
American living room. Did the parochial school boys who dropped their pants to
squat in Savitz's pizza boxes savor their submission? Or with adolescent
swagger did they relish the thought of a middle-aged fag smelling and tasting
their turds? Maybe both.
"What can go on between two people gets too complex to be usefully
described by 'top' and 'bottom,'" says Neal. Some people into scat say that
the
sign of the true shit lover is that for them shit's erotic value gets
disengaged from any sadomasochist or infantilist storyline, and just become a
free-floating source of pleasure- shit for shit's sake.
"It takes someone with a really good imagination to get into scat," says
Rob, who has been in the scene for ten years. No one tells you how to
eroticize shit, as Soloflex ads and Ryan Idol help us to eroticize buffed
muscle-boys. In this jaded, media-drenched era where such taboo images as
naked
children or a man dying of AIDS are put to work selling Benetton sweaters,
shit is the rare item: richly symbolic but unspoken for. Madison Avenue won't
even touch shit's negative power. You'll never see Coca Cola denigrate the
competition by sponsoring billboards showing Pepsi bottles with big turds
floating in them, or Nike ads that show Adidas sneaks smeared in dog doo.
When it comes to putting shit's latent meanings to work and forging new ones,
scat lovers have the field to themselves. **
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Doing Scat
An interview with Rob, a 38-year -old lawyer who lives in Philadelphia.
When did coprophilia become an interest for you?
About seven to ten years ago.
Was it something that you had thought about before then?
Well, I've always loved rimming, and when I was in law school I met a guy
in Boston and he introduced me to it.
How did you start off?
It was a master-slave scene. One night he shoved a big dildo up his ass,
pulled it out, and told me to lick it. I did, and I got sick.
Immediately?
I gagged and puked. And I felt very bad afterwards. I felt very bad that I
had not successfully done what he had asked me. So after that I literally
got down and begged him to do it to me.
The next time you had sex?
It took several more tries for him to do it.
Again you licked his dirty dildo?
Yes, and then he would shove hot dogs up his ass and make me eat them out.
And then he graduated to just plain sitting on my face.
And spitting?
Yes.
And you'd eat it?
Yes.
The first time you tasted shit you say you threw up. What about
afterwards?
Particularly when it was done with the hot dogs there was less of a gag
because there wasn't as much shit. That's how I was introduced to it and
trained.
And so as you continued eating shit, was it something that you wouldn't
find repulsive in the same way you initially did?
It really depends upon the total scene, and whether there's real amyl
nitrate available. With poppers it's easier to overcome all one's childhood
training and inhibitions, and go for the more base instincts.
What does shit taste like?
A lot like Camembert cheese. It's a rich, bitter, intense flavor. Ideally,
one doesn't eat it altogether; one savors it.
What's particularly enjoyable is literally tonguing it out of a man's hole
and enjoying it bit by bit.
Has shit play for you been mostly in the context of a top-bottom scene?
Sometimes you find mutuals. And sometimes you find just plain scat orgies.
Shit is very versatile. It makes an excellent lubrication for fucking; it's
excellent for smearing, stroking, wallow ing in, belly-fucking. The ideal
shit is one that has the consistency of wet clay. It can be tongued, eaten,
it can be easily smeared, it can be an excellent fuck and jack-off
lubricant. And it can be repacked. Harder turds are easier to repack, though
sometimes not as tasty as softer ones. I prefer shit without a lot of corn or
other undigested things in it.
How open are you in your interest in this to other gay people you know?
I'm somewhat guarded because it's an unknown how they'll respond.
What kinds of reactions have you gotten?
It depends on their interests. Some have been turned off, others have been
turned on. Most guys, even if they're into SM, are not into shit. It takes
someone with a really good imagination to get into scat even if they're
into watersports.
Looking back, is shit something you're surprised you got into? Or does it
seem of a keeping with your interest in SM?
I see it as sort of a perverse little fraternity. It's a sharing of one of
the most secret acts men have, sharing almost the forbidden essence of man.
Men essentially have three essences: sweat, shit, and cum. Two are
commonly shared and the third is not.
How do you meet other people who are into this?
There are some correspondence clubs. Sometimes you see a name on a bathroom
wall. Some people are bold enough to wear their brown hanky. Often just by
sheer chance you meet guys who see that you have no aversion to getting
your dick dirty, or they notice that when you rim them you're literally
trying to suck it out. And they get the picture that that's what you're
looking
for.
As with any taboo sexual interest, it's hard for people to admit their
curiosity. But most people rim, which gets you in pretty close contact with
shit. Even if people don't talk about or do scat, I wonder how widely shared a
fascination this is.
I don't think there's a guy alive who likes the taste of a sweaty ass who
hasn't at least fanta sized about it. It's just something that we repress,
because we've been told from childhood this is something you don't do. Shit
play goes along with the idea of being a total rebel. But on the other
hand, a lot of guys who are into shit are ready in very conformist
occupations;
they're accountants and actuaries.
What kinds of scenes have you taken part in lately?
I've been to a couple of scat flicks. They're amateur and usually done on
the spur of the moment. By common agreement these films are shown only to
people who are into the scene. You would not show a shit flick to someone who
you didn't know liked to eat it as well.
Pick a recent session you had. How did it unfold?
Well, one recently I had in New York. I was coming to fist a friend of mine
who I get shit videos from, and when I arrived he was busy setting up his
taping equipment. There was another guy in a suit and tie who was watching
one of his shit flicks. I sat down and he asked me if I recycled, and I
told him I did. Within minutes, a big hairy Italian ass was staring me in the
face, and I was getting a blow job with the video camera firmly planted to
get the scene.
And then you ate his shit?
Yup. There wasn't a great deal. I mean I do have my limits. These people
who talk about eight- and ten- inch turds being eaten-- that's more fantasy
than reality. The body has certain natural protective devices- "barfing
brown" is one of them. The goal of every true shit eater is to see how much he
can eat before he barfs.
Do people switch roles, from top to bottom?
Oh sure.
Is that typical?
I don't know if it's typical. There are some guys who like to remain top. I
think it's more typical that a bottom wants to remain bottom than a top
wants to remain a top. I think tops, if they really enjoy the shit, are
willing to go mutual with the right guy. Bottoms generally tend to want to be
just the receiver.
And does going mutual mean just switching roles and maintaining the basic
top-bottom theme?
It can. But more often it just means two men enjoying their full bodies and
their potential. I mean, if you're into shit, you like the smell of a ripe
armpit or a raunchy crotch, the taste of sweaty nuts. It just becomes one
more activity in the total enjoyment of another man.
Among people who would never define their erotic fantasies as having
anything to do with shit, often in fact there is a negative fascination. It's
very important to them that an ass is clean before they fuck it, or before
they get fucked they want to make sure they're douched. In other words,
there's a strong need to keep shit out of the sexual picture.
That's really a North American trait. It's really not so true in Europe or
other places. Americans have an over-fascination with hygiene. I think that
in Europe-- particularly Germany and the Netherlands-- it's more common
that there are guys who see shit as an adjunct to heavy man-to- man play.
Shit is not just a top-bottom activity. To many of us it's an adjunct to fully
sharing of another man. Think about it- you've probably seen dozens of
guys fucking, hundreds of guys masturbating. But how many guys have ever let
you see them shit? There is a brotherhood. I mean, once you've eaten a guy's
shit, there's no sense bullshitting him around anything else. It's a
unique leveler. **
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Is Scat Safe?
You are not likely to become infected with HIV through shit play, but there
is a real risk of picking up other viral or bacterial infections,
particularly if you eat shit.
HIV is normally not present in the shit of people infected with HIV--
unless they have blood in their shit, because of an ulcer or intestinal
bleeding. "Even if there is blood in the stool, we know that the skin is an
effective barrier to HIV," says the US government's National AIDS Information
Hotline (800-342-2437). "So unless it gets in your mouth or on some mucus
membrane, like your eye, or unless you have a cut or a sore, just getting shit
on your skin is not something to worry about."
Here's how New York's Gay Men's Heath Crisis sums up matters:
"Scat and watersports are OK as long as you don't get piss or shit into
your body through your mouth or asshole. Keep fingers out of mouths if they've
come into contact with piss or shit. Cuts or open sores can be ways for
HIV to enter the body. Make sure your skin is unbroken before you play, and
wash thoroughly after you are done. Use your own sex toys (dildos, etc.).
Never share toys that haven't been cleaned wit bleach or rubbing alcohol, or
covered with a new latex condom for each person using them."
But HIV is not the only worry when it comes to shit play. Shit is a
treasure trove of microbes, including potentially dangerous bacteria and
viruses
that are more easily transmitted than HIV. Particularly for those with
compromised immune systems, playing with shit can mean exposure to dangerous
infections, even if you are careful about not getting shit in your mouth or on
a mucus membrane.
"With any type of fecal contact there's an increased risk of bacterial
infections, or a viral infection like hepatitis," says the US government's
National Sexually Transmitted Disease Information Hotline (800-227-8922). Shit
play with a person from another region or country, particularly a
nonindustrialized one, may mean exposure to bacteria, viruses, and parasites
for
which you have no prior immunity.
The risks of shit play lead some to take a cautious position. "What we say
is stay away from scat altogether, because of the risks of infection, and
the fact that there can be blood products in waste," says Boston's AIDS
Action Committee.
As with many other questions about safe sex, deciding whether and how to
engage in shit play means balancing potential pleasures and potential
dangers.
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Author Profile: Bill Andriette Bill Andriette is features editor of The
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