I wasn't thinking of a gotcha on Billy.  I was interested in his position.
He is a very bright guy who can state his ideas eloquently.  The article had
two facets... stoning in a "religion of peace" context, and also the harsh
treatment of homosexuals.  Billy has made his position on Islam and
homosexuality clear on numerous occasions, but never in lens of this
article.  It was an interesting mixture of information.

 

Chris

 

 

From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David Block
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 8:29 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [RC] Stoning to death as punishment for "crimes" not recognized
as crimes in America

 

The elephant in the room is that these are "Religion of Peace" countries.
Iran usually hangs gays. Just so that's out there.

 

Seems that's being ignored in favor of a "gotcha" attempt on Billy. 

 

Not cool.

 

David 

 

On Sep 30, 2013, at 1:25 PM, [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>  wrote:





 

 

FACTBOX: Stoning - where does it happen?
Emma Batha (Reuters, September 29, 2013)

London (Thomson Reuters Foundation) - Stoning, a form of execution where a
group throws stones at a person until they are dead, still happens in parts
of the Muslim world, mostly as a punishment for adultery. Most victims are
women. Stoning, which is not mentioned in the Koran, violates international
law. Below is a list of countries where stoning is legal and/or practised.

AFGHANISTAN: Stoning became an official punishment for certain crimes such
as adultery during the Taliban's 1996-2001 rule. It was abolished after
their overthrow, but is still practised in areas controlled by the Taliban,
warlords and tribal leaders. Last year, a 21-year-old woman, Najiba, was
stoned in front of more than 100 cheering men after being accused of "moral
crimes" by local warlords in Parwan province. In 2011, a mother and daughter
were stoned in Ghazni city. In 2010, the Taliban stoned a couple in Kunduz.
Some stonings have been filmed. Campaigners say the Taliban, insurgents and
warlords are misusing religion to create terror and spread their influence.

INDONESIA: In 2009, the conservative province of Aceh passed a law
stipulating that adulterers be stoned to death. But the governor refused to
sign it, so it has no legal force. No stonings have been carried out. It has
been reported that the Aceh government will remove the stoning provision but
activists remain worried given the level of public support for stoning.

IRAN: Stoning is a legal punishment in Iran, which has the world's highest
rate of execution by stoning. Men are customarily buried up to their waists
and women up to their chests. Since proving adultery is very difficult, the
law allows a judge to act on gut feeling rather than testimonies or
confessions. In 2010, the case of Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani, a woman
sentenced to death by stoning for alleged adultery, caused international
outcry. The authorities have suspended her sentence but she remains in
prison. Officials withdrew stoning from a new draft penal code last year,
but have since reinserted it.

IRAQ: Stoning is not legally sanctioned but extrajudicial stonings appear to
be increasing. In 2008, a 16-year-old girl, Kurdistan Aziz, was stoned to
death in Iraqi Kurdistan. After eloping to marry a man her family
disapproved of, she asked the police for help. They referred her to the
department in charge of ending domestic violence, which, instead of
protecting her, returned her to her family. Her relatives stoned her to
death saying her actions had brought shame on them. The authorities refused
to intervene in what they called a "tribal issue". In April 2007, Du'a
Khalil Aswad, a teenager from the Yazidi religious minority, was stoned to
death for her alleged involvement with a Sunni Muslim boy. The stoning was
filmed and the video reportedly shows that security forces were present but
failed to intervene.

MALAYSIA: Two states, Kelantan and Terengganu, approved bills in 1993 and
2002 to bring Islamic criminal laws - including stoning as a punishment for
adultery - into their legal systems. But opposition by the federal
government means these laws cannot be applied. No one has been sentenced to
stoning.

MALI: An al Qaeda-linked Islamic militant group in northern Mali, Ansar
Dine, said last year it had stoned a married couple accused of engaging in
extramarital affairs. The couple were executed in Aguelhok, near the border
with Algeria, a spokesman for the group said. Islamist extremists applied
their interpretation of sharia law after taking control of two-thirds of
Mali's desert north.

MAURITANIA: Stoning is legal for "acts against nature" between men and for
adultery by a married woman or man. Sharia law became the basis for
Mauritania's penal code in 1983, but there have been no reports of any
stonings.

NIGERIA: Stoning is a punishment for adultery in Nigeria's 12 northern
states, which adopted sharia penal codes between 1999 and 2001. At least six
people have been sentenced to stoning. But every case has been won on
appeal. In a case that received international attention in 2002, divorcee
Amina Lawal was convicted of adultery on the basis of a pregnancy, even
though the alleged father swore he did not have a relationship with her and
was acquitted. Lawal won her appeal in 2003 and there have been no adultery
prosecutions since, but the stoning law remains in force.

PAKISTAN: Stonings have been legal since harsh interpretations of Islamic
law were incorporated into criminal law in 1979. Although no stoning has
ever been carried out within the legal system, extrajudicial stonings happen
in some tribal areas. In July, a mother of two was stoned by her relatives
on the orders of a tribal court for having a mobile phone. Earlier this
year, a soldier was stoned on the orders of a tribal court in the northwest
Kurram region for an alleged affair with a local girl. In 2008, militants
stoned a couple in the northwest Khwezai-Baezai region after a tribal court
found them guilty of adultery. A group connected to the Taliban had captured
the couple.

QATAR: Stoning is legal, although it is believed no stonings have occurred.

SAUDI ARABIA: Adultery, which is considered an offence against God, is
illegal and punishable by stoning. There are no accounts of stonings in the
past decade, but there have been reports of courts sentencing people to be
stoned. In 2010, a Filipino worker was sentenced to stoning over an
extramarital affair. The ambassador persuaded the judge to reconsider his
decision. In 2009 two Sri Lankans were sentenced to stoning for adultery.
The sentences were reduced to 700 lashes and six years in prison.

SOMALIA: Stonings happen more regularly in Somalia than many other
Muslim-majority countries, primarily in areas under the control of Islamist
groups like al Shabaab and Hizbul Islam. In the most notorious case, a
13-year-old girl, Aisha Ibrahim Duhulow, was partially buried and stoned to
death by 50 men in front of 1000 people at a stadium in Kismayu in 2008.
Amnesty International reported that she had been raped by three men but was
accused of adultery when she tried to report the rape to al Shabaab
militants in control of the city. None of the men was arrested. Homosexual
relationships are also punishable by stoning.

SUDAN: Stoning is a legal form of punishment for adultery under the 1991
penal code. Two young women, Laila Ibrahim Issa Jamool and Intisar Sharif
Abdallah, were sentenced to stoning for alleged adultery in separate cases
last year. Both convictions were based on confessions and both women lacked
legal representation, according to reports. Human Rights Watch said Abdallah
appeared to be under 18 and only confessed after she was beaten by a family
member. Both women had given birth not long before and were held in jail
with their babies and with their legs shackled. They have since been freed
on appeal. HRW says judges have sentenced several women to stoning in recent
years, but courts have overturned the sentences on appeal. Most stoning
sentences have been imposed on women.

UNITED ARAB EMIRATES: Adultery is punishable by stoning under the penal code
enacted in 1987. Courts rarely issue stoning sentences but it has happened
occasionally. In 2007, the courts upheld a stoning sentence of a man
convicted of having sex with his four stepdaughters. It's not known whether
the sentence was carried out. The girls were sentenced to 80 lashes each
even though they had been forced into the relationships. In 2005, a
Bangladeshi man was sentenced to stoning for adultery. An Indonesian woman
was similarly sentenced in 2000 even though she told the court she had been
raped. Both sentences were later reduced to one year and deportation.

YEMEN: Stoning is the prescribed punishment for adultery and for
homosexuality by married men under the penal code enacted in 1994. Although
no known stonings have taken place, it is still a legitimate punishment.
Reports suggest impoverished women are the most likely to be sentenced to
stoning.

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