Some reflections on "Religious Experience and  Truth":
 
 
For once there have been some "reviews" of something I have  written.
Three so far. Maybe there will only be three when all is said, but  there
are three actual  replies to reflect upon now.
 
The following article is not directly related to my essay but there is an 
indirect relationship inasmuch as it deals explicitly with a theme  that
is part of the substance of the essay, the slow-motion implosion of  the
"mainline" Protestant churches. The mainline is committing suicide
and the worse that things get the more that its adherents hunker down
and persist in their own destruction.
 
None of them seem capable of finally saying, "You know what? We have
made all kinds of serious mistakes and it is time to rethink many  things
we are doing before there is nothing left except empty church  buildings."
 
Those people are, it seems to me, utterly  hopeless.
 
Alas, one of my reviews was from a fundamentalist believer of whom 
I had thought much better until today. The memory had grown hazy with
the passage of time but now I remember, like it was yesterday, why  I  
walked
away from the "fundamentalism" of my youth and never looked back.
 
Not to give the wrong impression, the man is a kind and good and  decent
individual, and he is tireless in doing what he considers to be the  tasks
that the Lord has asked him to carry out. In that sense, the world  needs
more people like him, as many as might be found.
 
However, there also were comments that reflect the most narrow-minded
interpretation of Christian faith that exist, a time warp that goes back to 
 the
halcyon years when the Scopes trial was in full flower and a whole  corps
of religious believers seemed to be motivated by the sole purpose  of making
themselves look like idiots before the rest of humanity.
 
I honestly  tried to be thoughtful in every line I wrote, and to  write with
clarity, making every allowance possible for both "true believers" and  the
most committed Atheists you can think of . And at least the  "Christian" 
took
the time to reply with 10 minutes or so of typing.  Which I  cannot say for
an Atheist who also replied, with an investment of maybe 2 minutes,  saying
essentially, "I don't have time for this, if you can't write it out in  a 
few
paragraphs I'm not interested."
 
I do understand that reading page after page of "nothing new here, why  
bother?"
deserves to be dismissed as not worth the effort. And I have reviewed  
various
manuscripts over the years that did waste my time despite the good  
intentions
of their writers. My head still aches from the hours I spent in the  early 
2000s
at one point, reading a book MS about Mesopotamia that, while it made
some good observations, was utterly spoiled by its repeated  references
to a charlatan name Stichin, who's understanding of the subject is 
based on credulity about UFOs, etc, of the worst sort.
 
However, I don't think that what I write is remotely in that kind of  
category.
Nor remotely in any category except that of a professional writer who
does his homework and is thorough about everything. Not a good  feeling,
in other words, to be disrespected by someone who should know much better 
than that. And hence my respect for him is falling  and could go over  the 
cliff 
if there is even one more episode like this. 
 
The third review was very different and was filled with unexpected  insights
and a couple of very good questions that, as soon as I have a logical  reply
to give, it would be smart to work with and develop into something 
worthwhile as a follow-up, some day in the future.
 
But this was the worst of it:
"The way to be saved is very simple -- just change your mind about
what  you think (repent) and receive Jesus Christ, who is the Word of
God and be  baptized in the name of Jesus Christ and then seek God
until He fills you  with the Holy Ghost (Acts. 2:38).  After that we
read His word and obey  it all."

Translation:  Don't think at all, your brain should  be turned off, 
just believe, and obey.
 
To me that has little or nothing to do with Christian faith.
It is a parody of Christian faith, and a path to nowhere
I would ever want to go. This was his reply to a sincere 
profession of faith that was the result of years 
of soul searching?
 
I know the man, he was not in any way seeking to be insulting.
In many ways he has a heart made of gold. However, that is exactly 
what he did, respond with insult, and all because 
of extreme narrow-mindedness.
 
Well, even these reviews have been a learning experience.
 
Billy
 
 
 
 
 
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Bishop Spong’s Unintended Consequence
By _Mark Tooley_ (http://spectator.org/people/mark-tooley)  on 10.14.13 
 
His reinterpretations have sped the decline of Protestant  institutions.

 
A recent Religion News Service _article_ 
(http://www.religionnews.com/2013/10/10/aging-maverick-episcopal-bishop-john-shelby-spong-regrets/)
  on 
infamous Episcopal Bishop John Shelby Spong  celebrates him as an aging 
maverick 
whose provocative sexual and theological  stances supposedly are no longer 
controversial. At age 82, the former Bishop of  Newark, New Jersey, is writing 
his 24th book. In the 1980s and 1990s his  works infamously speculated that 
the Virgin Mary was impregnated by a Roman  soldier, that St. Paul was a 
self-hating homosexual, and that Jesus’  unresurrected body was torn asunder 
by wild dogs.  
A former Southern segregationist, Spong celebrated his spiritual maturity  
away from racism into more enlightened religion, which also rejected 
Christian  orthodoxy. He later joined the then publicity savvy Jesus Seminar, 
whose 
liberal  scholars once made headlines by voting with marbles over which 
Gospel stories  were not true. 
Spong always claimed to speak for a new generation who could not believe in 
 traditional beliefs and who craved a new interpretation of Christianity. 
His new  interpretation never flew. Unmentioned in the RNS report, Spong’s 
diocese lost  43 percent of its membership during his 21 years as bishop. 
Since he retired in  2000, the Episcopal Diocese of Newark has lost another 25 
percent. In 1978, the  diocese had over 64,000. Last year it was down to just 
over 27,000, about a 60  percent loss. 
There are evidently no regrets from Spong. RNS reports: 
Through it all, Spong never retreated an inch. By the time he retired in  
2000, his own diocese had 35 openly gay and lesbian clergy, and he also 
helped  promote a new generation of church leaders who can carry his 
progressive  
torch: 11 clerics from his tenure are now bishops, more than from any other 
 diocese, he says. 
Since Spong became a bishop, the Episcopal Church nationally, whose elites  
often aligned with Spong, has lost 25 percent of its membership. Although  
Americans remain about as church-going as ever, the 50 year exodus from and  
demographic implosion of liberal oldline Protestant denominations continues 
 unabated. Fifty years ago, one of every 6 Americans belonged to the 
largest  “Seven Sister” Mainline denominations. Today, it’s less than one of 
every 16 and  falling. 
Hardline liberal church activists like Spong, of whatever age, seem largely 
 indifferent. For them, their liberationist ideology is more important than 
the  institutional or spiritual health of their denominations. And for 
them, every  cause du jour is supposedly just like fighting segregation 50 
years 
ago. Never  mind that universal Christian teaching never countenanced 
racism and was in fact  the basis for opposing it. Yet today, the mostly white, 
North American church  liberationists remain at war with, and are 
increasingly besieged by, growing  global Christianity and its historic 
teachings. 
Another recent RNS _article_ 
(http://www.religionnews.com/2013/10/04/make-pick-mainline-protestants-need-new-name/)
  pondered what no longer Mainline 
Protestants should be  called. Its tongue-in-cheek cited options are “Old 
Line,” “Liberal Church,”  “Grandma’s Church,” “
Christians-Formerly-Known-As-Mainline,” and “New Coke.” In  the article, 
liberal Episcopal writer Diane 
Butler Bass, who insists these  denominations retain “vitality,” warned 
against calling former Mainliners  “sidelined” and “deadlined” as “tired 
slurs.” Perhaps, but the slurs are mostly  accurate. 
Next year a new book from Catholic thinker Jody Bottum comes called _An 
Anxious Age_ 
(http://www.imagecatholicbooks.com/2013/08/21/press-release-an-anxious-age/) , 
which laments the disappearance of  Mainline Protestant 
institutions and ethos. Its promotional brochure  notes: 
>From its Puritan beginning, the nation has always been shaped by its  
essential Protestantism, Bottum notes. But the most significant fact about  
modern American Protestantism — the most significant and underappreciated fact  
about all of contemporary America — is the collapse of the Mainline 
Protestant  churches over the last fifty years. Where those churches once 
defined the 
 liberal consensus of the nation, they have nearly disappeared from public  
life, and in their place have risen strange new beings: social and 
political  feelings elevated to supernatural entities that repopulate the 
depleted  
metaphysical realm.
As Bottum has written earlier, Mainline Protestantism created the civil  
culture and language that guided American political and cultural discourse,  
colonial and republican, across most of four centuries. As not just Mainline  
Protestant institutions but also memories of them recede, what cohesive  
spiritual forces will guide American thought and action? The answer is 
unclear.  In his 1990 book, The Catholic Moment, former Lutheran turned 
Catholic  
thinker Richard Neuhaus wondered if Catholicism could not replace the 
cultural  void left by collapsing Mainline Protestantism. But nearly a quarter 
century  later, his hope seems unfulfilled.  
As New York Times columnist and religion pundit Ross Douthat has  
commented, “America is as religious as ever but less institutionally 
religious.”  
Religious individualism has accelerated. And in the absence of once great  
Protestant denominations, publishing houses, universities and missions 
agencies,  religious Americans have resorted to a plethora of autonomous 
congregations that  inter-pollinate with parachurch groups and independent 
evangelical 
schools,  further undergirded by the growing trend of home schooling, and 
educated by  bestselling books from independent evangelical authors. 
The explosion of evangelical entrepreneurship was hardly the goal of Bishop 
 John Shelby Spong and his kindred spirits, who presumed that oldline 
Protestant  denominational dominance in America was permanent. They are largely 
unaware or  contemptuous of the independent-minded religious ethos that has 
supplanted their  receding universe. That Bishop Spong’s turgid revisionism 
is now largely  inconsequential is good news. That America no longer has 
great mediating  religious institutions that bind us together is not so  good.

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