Typical arrogant Calvinist.
David
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas
which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas
which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.*--Thomas
**Jeff**erson*
On 10/18/2013 10:41 AM, [email protected] wrote:
Some truth to this statement even if it is overdone*:*
/The Charismatic movement as such has made no contribution to biblical
clarity, interpretation, or sound doctrine./
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Some truth to this statement also but incorrect in some very important
ways*:*
/We've [presumably other Calvinists] had an accurate biblical
interpretation and sound doctrine long before the Charismatic movement
happened..../
'Strange Fire' Conference: John MacArthur Calls Out Charismatic
Movement as 'Unfaithful'
By Nicola Menzie <http://www.christianpost.com/author/nicola-menzie/>
, Christian Post Reporter
October 17, 2013
John MacArthur, influential author, pastor and seminary president, has
kicked off the Strange Fire conference at his California church this
week and reportedly stated during his opening remarks that the
charismatic movement "dishonors God" and "offers nothing to enrich
true worship."
MacArthur, a cessationist, has long been an outspoken advocate of
weighing the claims and activities of those in the charismatic
movement against Scripture, and tied the conference to the release of
his latest book, /Strange Fire: The Danger of Offending the Holy
Spirit With Counterfeit Worship/. In a series of promotional videos
leading up the conference, the 74-year-old Calvinist minister insisted
that the Strange Fire conference would focus on "the false worship"
coming from the movement, and is not about worship styles or preferences.
In explaining the concept of "strange fire" in one promotional video
<http://www.christianpost.com/news/john-macarthur-takes-on-charismatic-movement-with-strange-fire-conference-97968/>,
MacArthur points to Leviticus 9 and 10 in which acceptable worship and
unacceptable worship are contrasted.
"In the ninth chapter, they came according to God's law, a sacrifice
was offered, and God sent down miraculous fire and consumed the
sacrifice. In chapter 10 (verses 1-3), however, another sacrifice was
offered, and God consumed the offerers because they violated His
standard and offered strange fire," MacArthur explains in the video.
MacArthur adds, "But it's in the context of Leviticus 9 and 10 that I
want to direct your attention toward strange fire that's being offered
to God today, and it could well bring His judgment.
"What I'm talking about is the charismatic movement that offers to God
unacceptable worship, distorted worship. It blasphemes the Holy
Spirit. It attributes to the Holy Spirit even the work of Satan.
People are caught up in it, deceived, led astray."
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"This is about honoring the Holy Spirit, rather than blaspheming him,"
MacArthur insists.
Despite his stated intentions, the California preacher and prolific
author has sparked the ire of some charismatic Christians with remarks
he made Wednesday at the opening of the Strange Fire conference.
Although his critics welcome taking a corrective stance against what
some view as excesses in the movement, some, such as preacher, author
and blogger Adrian Warnock
<http://www.patheos.com/blogs/adrianwarnock/2013/10/strange-fire-john-macarthur-claims-no-good-has-come-out-of-the-charismatic-movement/>,
have suggested that MacArthur "is very wrong to (throw) the baby out
with the bathwater and claim that the successes seen [in the
charismatic movement] is because my family, my people, are drawing
power from the Kingdom of Darkness."
MacArthur's opening remarks were live-blogged by evangelical Christian
blogger Tim Challies at www.challies.com
<http://www.challies.com/liveblogging/strange-fire-conference-john-macarthurs-opening-address>,
and a transcript was provided by a team of ministers blogging at
http://thecripplegate.com
<http://thecripplegate.com/strange-fire-session-one-john-macarthur/>.
Below are excerpts of MacArthur's opening remarks at the Strange Fire
conference held at his Grace Community Church in Sun Valley, Calif.,
which has reportedly drawn 4,000 people in person, and countless
others watching the event via livestream.
/The charismatic movement continually dishonors God in its false forms
of worship. It dishonors the Father and Son, but most specifically,
the Holy Spirit. Many things are attributed to the Holy Spirit that
actually dishonor him. In many places in the charismatic movement they
are attributing to the Holy Spirit works that have actually been
generated by Satan./ (challies.com)
/We know there are people who are in the Charismatic movement who are
deceivers and they know it. They are false teachers and they know it.
They're in it for the money and they know it. But we also know there
are people who are caught up in this that are deceived and do not know
it. They're brands that need to be snatched from the burning (Jude
1:23). Our aim is to expose the deceivers and to help the deceived./
(thecripplegate.com)
/There are a half a billion of professed Charismatics. For some frame
of reference, there are a billion Roman Catholics, and 14 million
Mormons. So you see that this is a massive issue. And yet, nobody
would fault pastors for confronting Mormonism for their false view of
God, Christ, and Salvation. Why then has the church been so reluctant
to confront this movement that has captivated so many people?/
(thecripplegate.com)
/God is not to be trifled with. It is dangerous to offer strange fire,
corrupt worship. It's dangerous to declare things as works of the Holy
Spirit that He would have nothing to do with. There is a radical
seriousness in dishonoring the Holy Spirit that apparently escapes
these people./ (thecripplegate.com)
/Am I discrediting everyone in the movement? No. I think there are
people to desire to worship God in a true way. They're caught up in
this as well, though, because intention is not enough. But the
movement itself offers nothing to enrich true worship. The Charismatic
movement as such has made no contribution to biblical clarity,
interpretation, or sound doctrine. We've had an accurate biblical
interpretation and sound doctrine long before the Charismatic movement
happened, going all the way back to the Apostles, a clear stream of
truth. The Charismatics haven't added to that, but have brought chaos,
confusion, misinterpretation./ (thecripplegate.com)
/"I will start believing that the truth prevails in the charismatic
movement when I see the leaders looking more like Jesus Christ and I
see that they really are partakers of the divine nature."/ (challies.com)
The Strange Fire conference, which runs through Friday, Oct. 18, also
features as guest speakers: R.C. Sproul, Conrad Mbewe, Steve Lawson,
Tom Pennington, Phil Johnson, Nathan Busenitz, Justin Peters, Todd
Friel, and Joni Eareckson Tada. The Strange Fire livestream can be
found at: http://www.tmstrangefire.org/.
Read John MacArthur Takes on Charismatic Movement With 'Strange Fire'
Conference
<http://www.christianpost.com/news/john-macarthur-takes-on-charismatic-movement-with-strange-fire-conference-97968/>
for more background on the beliefs of cessationists and
continuationists, who disagree on whether the spiritual gifts of the
Holy Spirit, such as speaking in tongues, are made available to
Christians today or ceased with the deaths of Jesus' first-century
apostles.
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