They (Microshaft) CLAIMED that there would be no updates after yesterday.

Surprise, I got a set today.

David

"If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it's free

"If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it's free."*---P. J. O'Rourke*

On 4/9/2014 9:18 AM, Chris Hahn wrote:
"If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it's free

You are the kind of guy who could keep XP going safely because you are a programmer. You might consider LINUX on the old machine. My son went that way and loves it.

Chris

*From:*[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *David R. Block
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 08, 2014 10:02 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [RC] XP news

Yeah, I haven't decided what I'm going to do.

My anti-virus provider will keep supporting XP for about 3 years.

David

"If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it's free."*---P. J. O'Rourke*

On 4/8/2014 11:29 AM, Chris Hahn wrote:

    XP users who use their computers on the Internet should switch to
    a different operating system, like it or not. Otherwise they will
    be sitting ducks unless they are really sharp with 3^rd party
    security (unlikely with the XP crowd).  If they want to keep the
    same computer, LINUX is a viable option, but most XP users are not
    going to have the geek-factor that it takes to use LINUX.  The
    best bet for most will be to buy a new computer with an up-to-date
    operating system.

    RIP XP  (I thought it was a good OS and stayed with it throughout
    the VISTA debacle.)

    Chris

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    *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
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    <mailto:[email protected]>
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    *Subject:* [RC] XP news

    *Real Clear Politics*

    Real Clear Technology

    April 8, 2014


        Welcome to the XPocalypse

    *By**Bree Fowler*
    <http://www.realcleartechnology.com/authors/bree_fowler/>

    NEW YORK (AP) -- Microsoft will end support for the persistently
    popular Windows XP on Tuesday, and the move could put everything
    from the operations of heavy industry to the identities of
    everyday people in danger.

    An estimated 30 percent of computers being used by businesses and
    consumers around the world are still running the 12-year-old
    operating system.

    "What once was considered low-hanging fruit by hackers now has a
    big neon bull's eye on it," says Patrick Thomas, a security
    consultant at the San Jose, Calif.-based firm Neohapsis.

    Microsoft has released a handful of Windows operating systems
    since 2001, but XP's popularity and the durability of the
    computers it was installed on kept it around longer than expected.
    Analysts say that if a PC is more than five years old, chances are
    it's running XP.

    While users can still run XP after Tuesday, Microsoft says it will
    no longer provide security updates, issue fixes to non-security
    related problems or offer online technical content updates. The
    company is discontinuing XP to focus on maintaining its newer
    operating systems, the core programs that run personal computers.

    The Redmond, Wash.-based company says it will provide
    anti-malware-related updates through July 14, 2015, but warns that
    the tweaks could be of limited help on an outdated operating system.

    Most industry experts say they recognize that the time for
    Microsoft to end support for such a dated system has come, but the
    move poses both security and operational risks for the remaining
    users. In addition to home computers, XP is used to run everything
    from water treatment facilities and power plants to small
    businesses like doctor's offices.

    Thomas says XP appealed to a wide variety of people and businesses
    that saw it as a reliable workhorse and many chose to stick with
    it instead of upgrading to Windows Vista, Windows 7 or 8.

    Thomas notes that companies generally resist change because they
    don't like risk. As a result, businesses most likely to still be
    using XP include banks and financial services companies, along
    with health care providers. He also pointed to schools from the
    university level down, saying that they often don't have enough
    money to fund equipment upgrades.

    Marcin Kleczynski, CEO of Malwarebytes, says that without patches
    to fix bugs in the software XP PCs will be prone to freezing up
    and crashing, while the absence of updated security related
    protections make the computers susceptible to hackers.

    He added that future security patches released for Microsoft's
    newer systems will serve as a way for hackers to reverse engineer
    ways to breach now-unprotected Windows XP computers.

    "It's going to be interesting to say the least," he says. "There
    are plenty of black hats out there that are looking for the first
    vulnerability and will be looking at Windows 7 and 8 to find those
    vulnerabilities. And if you're able to find a vulnerability in XP,
    it's pretty much a silver key."

    Those weaknesses can affect businesses both large and small.

    Mark Bernardo, general manager of automation software at General
    Electric Co.'s Intelligent Platforms division, says moving to a
    new operating system can be extremely complicated and expensive
    for industrial companies. Bernardo, whose GE division offers
    advisory services for upgrading from XP, says many of the unit's
    customers fall into the fields of water and waste water, along
    with oil and gas.

    "Even if their sole network is completely sealed off from attack,
    there are still operational issues to deal with," he says.

    Meanwhile, many small businesses are put off by the hefty cost of
    upgrading or just aren't focused on their IT needs. Although a
    consumer can buy an entry-level PC for a few hundred dollars, a
    computer powerful enough for business use may run $1,000 or more
    after adding the necessary software.

    Barry Maher, a salesperson trainer and motivational speaker based
    in Corona, Calif., says his IT consultant warned him about the end
    of XP support last year. But he was so busy with other things that
    he didn't start actively looking for a new computer until a few
    weeks ago.

    "This probably hasn't been as high a priority as it should have
    been," he says.

    He got his current PC just before Microsoft released Vista in
    2007. He never bought another PC because, "As long as the machine
    is doing what I want it to do, and running the software I need to
    run, I would never change it."

    Mark McCreary, a Philadelphia-based attorney with the firm Fox
    Rothschild LLP, says small businesses could be among the most
    effected by the end of support, because they don't have the same
    kinds of firewalls and in-house IT departments that larger
    companies possess. And if they don't upgrade and something bad
    happens, they could face lawsuits from customers.

    But he says he doesn't expect the wide-spread malware attacks and
    disasters that others are predicting - at least for a while.

    "It's not that you blow it off and wait another seven years, but
    it's not like everything is going to explode on April 8 either,"
    he says.

    McCreary points to Microsoft's plans to keep providing
    malware-related updates for well over a year, adding that he
    doubts hackers are actually saving up their malware attacks for
    the day support ends.

    But Sam Glines, CEO of Norse, a threat-detection firm with major
    offices in St. Louis and Silicon Valley, disagrees. He believes
    hackers have been watching potential targets for some time now.

    "There's a gearing up on the part of the dark side to take
    advantage of this end of support," Glines says.

    He worries most about doctors like his father and others the
    health care industry, who may be very smart people, but just
    aren't focused on technology. He notes that health care-related
    information is 10 to 20 times more valuable on the black market
    than financial information, because it can be used to create
    fraudulent medical claims and illegally obtain prescription drugs,
    making doctor's offices tempting targets.

    Meanwhile, without updates from Microsoft, regular people who
    currently use XP at home need to be extra careful.

    Mike Eldridge, 39, of Spring Lake, Mich., says that since his
    computer is currently on its last legs, he's going to cross his
    fingers and hope for the best until it finally dies.

    "I am worried about security threats, but I'd rather have my
    identity stolen than put up with Windows 8," he says.

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