Neither. Obfuscation. “Hope and Change” without very many specifics.
David > On Feb 15, 2015, at 2:21 PM, MG <[email protected]> wrote: > > I think it's no secret that I'm ok with gay marriage, but I'm amazed at the > deafness coming from the Left. > > From HuffPo: > Justin Nelson, President of The National Gay & Lesbian Chamber of Commerce > <https://www.nglcc.org/who-we-are/team-nglcc/justin-g-nelson>, came to > President Obama's defense in a Wednesday conversation with HuffPost Live, > arguing that Axelrod's comments are just a ploy to promote his new book, even > though Obama's proven to be a consistent ally to the gay community. > > "David Axelrod is out to sell books and probably will sell a lot of books, > and we all know controversy helps sell books," he explained. "The fact of the > matter is Americans were not there. It was somewhat widely known that the > President when he was running for his state senate seat had answered a > questionnaire that he was in favor of marriage equality." > > ...and to put this all into sharper relief, there's this line from the > President's famous 2004 Audacity of Hope speech: > > "In the end, that’s what this election is about. Do we participate in a > politics of cynicism or do we participate in a politics of hope?" > > Which do you think Obama's 2008 campaign picked? > > On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 4:11:53 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote: > > Obama Lied About Supporting Traditional Marriage in 2008, Former Advisor > David Axelrod Reveals in New Book > > > By Napp Nazworth <http://www.christianpost.com/author/napp-nazworth/> , > Christian Post Reporter > February 10, 2015 > President Barack Obama intentionally misled voters when he stated that he > supported traditional marriage during his 2008 presidential election > campaign, former Obama advisor David Axelrod claims in his new book. > > Obama supported same-sex marriage when he was an Illinois state senate > candidate in 1996, but claimed he opposed same-sex marriage when he ran for > president in 2008. > > "I believe that marriage is the union between a man and a woman," Obama told > pastor Rick Warren at Saddleback Church in 2008, adding that he supports > civil unions for same-sex couples. > > But that was not true, Axelrod wrote in Believer: My Forty Years in Politics, > which was published Tuesday. > > According to Time's Zeke Miller > <http://time.com/3702584/gay-marriage-axelrod-obama/>, who recieved an > advance copy, Obama did not think he pulled off the deception well. He turned > to Axelrod after the Warren interview and said, "I'm just not very good at > bullshitting." > > Obama already supported same-sex marriage, and spoke with his campaign > advisors, including Axelrod, about how to speak about the issue, given his > conviction that marriage should be redefined to include same-sex couples, > according to the book. > > By his own admission, Axelrod, along with campaign manager Jim Messina, > advised Obama to lie about his position because it could cost him the state > of North Carolina (which he won in 2008). > > Throughout most of his first term, Obama claimed he was "evolving" on the > issue of gay marriage, but "as a Christian" still believed that marriage was > between one man and one woman. > > "Yet if Obama's views were 'evolving' publicly, they were fully evolved > behind closed doors. The president was champing at the bit to announce his > support for the right of gay and lesbian couples to wed — and having watched > him struggle with this issue for years, I was ready, too," Axelrod wrote. > > In May of 2012, Obama claimed > <http://www.christianpost.com/news/obama-same-sex-couples-should-be-able-to-get-married-74672/> > he had changed his mind and was in support of gay marriage. The announcement > came reluctantly. After Vice President Joe Biden accidentally claimed he > supported gay marriage in an interview on NBC's "Meet the Press," Obama was > under increased pressure to clarify his views about marriage. > > "At a certain point I've just concluded that, for me personally, it is > important for me to go ahead and affirm that I think that same-sex couples > should be able to get married," Obama said in an interview with ABC News. > > Miller's subtitle referred to the book's revelation as "a striking admission > of political dishonesty." > > > -- > -- > Centroids: The Center of the Radical Centrist Community > <[email protected]> > Google Group: http://groups.google.com/group/RadicalCentrism > <http://groups.google.com/group/RadicalCentrism> > Radical Centrism website and blog: http://RadicalCentrism.org > <http://radicalcentrism.org/> > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Centroids: The Center of the Radical Centrist Community" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- -- Centroids: The Center of the Radical Centrist Community <[email protected]> Google Group: http://groups.google.com/group/RadicalCentrism Radical Centrism website and blog: http://RadicalCentrism.org --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Centroids: The Center of the Radical Centrist Community" group. 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