Not a panacea-- solutions for a small, unionized country aren't directly 
scalable to America -- but still a very useful data point. 



How Norway Dispels the Private vs Public Sector Myth - Evonomics
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By David Sloan Wilson and Sigrun Aasland

It’s no secret that the Scandinavian nations are doing something right. They 
consistently lead the world in measures of happiness and quality of life. 
Political guru Francis Fukuyama called the search for the good society “getting 
to Denmark”. Even The Economist magazine featured a goofy looking Viking on its 
cover with the headline “The Next Supermodel”.

How the Nordic countries achieve their success–and whether they can be copied 
by other nations–is another matter. Bernie looks upon them as a model. Hillary 
disagrees. Hell will freeze over before Ted and Donald cast their eyes in such 
a “socialist” direction.

Perhaps some of the new economic thinking featured on Evonomics can help. One 
key insight is to dispel the myth, pervasive in America and dangerously 
infective elsewhere, that the private sector does everything well and the 
public sector does everything poorly. Modern society requires an extensive 
infrastructure, which does not emerge bottom-up from unregulated markets. This 
has always been the case, in America as elsewhere, as my recent interview with 
Daron Acemoglu attests. One reason that the Nordic nations work well might be 
because they have not—yet—succumbed to the siren’s song of free market 
fundamentalism.

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A strong state capable of building infrastructure is not enough. It must also 
be an inclusive state that works for the benefit of everyone, as opposed to an 
extractive state that works only for the benefit of an elite few, as my 
interview with Acemoglu also makes clear. Inclusiveness requires a balance of 
power among the various sectors of the society. Perhaps the Nordic nations work 
well for this reason also—strong states working collaboratively with a strong 
private sector, strong labor unions, and a strong, well-informed, and trusting 
electorate.

Even this is only necessary and not sufficient. A national economy that works 
well is a complex adaptive system, like an automobile with many interdependent 
parts. Even a strong and inclusive state won’t work well if it doesn’t put the 
parts of its economy together in the right way, which is not an easy matter for 
any complex system. Centralized planning won’t work and neither will 
unregulated markets. Something in between is required, which David Colander 
calls “activist laissez faire” in this excerpt of his book with Roland Kupers 
titled Complexity and the Art of Public Policy.

For the last three years, the Evolution Institute has been making a special 
study of Norway as an example of cultural evolution leading to a high quality 
of life. We now have an extensive network of associates to help us combine 
their detailed knowledge of Norwegian society and economics with our 
distinctive theoretical perspective—including Sigrun Aasland, Director of 
Analysis at Agenda, a think tank focused on Norwegian domestic politics and 
international affairs. My interview with Aasland provides a glimpse of the 
complex adaptive system that operates under the hood of the Norwegian economy.

DSW: Greetings, Sigrun, and welcome to Evonomics.com.

SA: Thank you, David. I am really excited to be part of this discussion

DSW: To begin, tell us about your own background. I know from our previous 
conversations that part of your economic training took place in the USA, so you 
have personally experienced the very different economic philosophies of the two 
nations.

SA: Sure. I was lucky enough to get my Master’s degree at the Johns Hopkins 
School of Advanced International Studies in Washington, DC. I also worked at 
the World Bank for five years after graduating. SAIS is a great programme – 
what’s more perfect for policy geeks to study policy in the heart of global 
policymaking? It also has a truly international student body – so you learn 
economics and policy alongside people from China, Japan, Sweden, Poland, 
Ecuador, Canada, Morocco, and the US.

You know they say it is a good thing to challenge our own worldviews from time 
to time. I grew up in Norway and the welfare state has always been 
self-evident. At SAIS not so much. I remember someone had scribbled in the 
basement bathroom: “How many Scandinavians does a right wing policy school 
really need?” Quite a few Scandinavians it turned out, partly since we had part 
of the tuition covered by our own welfare states and could attend expensive 
grad school simply because we had the grades for it.

DSW: Well, there is one benefit of a welfare state!

SA: In SAIS labor economics class we argued not over the level and design of 
social policies, but just as often over the welfare state as a concept. The 
contrast was significant to the US tradition, but also the Eastern European 
students were quite libertarian – having grown up just after the fall of 
Communism. You learn a lot from having to look at your own system from the 
outside. At least I did.

DSW: Now tell us a bit about Agenda and your role as Director of Analysis. 
Where is Agenda located on the Norwegian political spectrum, and where is the 
entire spectrum located on the American political spectrum?

SA: Agenda is a think tank and the centre-left of Norwegian politics. The 
concept of think tanks is quite new in Norway. We’ve had political parties and 
research institutions, and gradually I think it has become increasingly clear 
that there was a gap between the two. Politics tend to get conflict-oriented 
and there is this scramble for attention and shortage of time and space. At the 
other end of the spectrum, researchers hesitate to engage in political debate 
in fear of being oversimplified or misunderstood. Our job is to create a space 
for open-minded policy-debate. And we are explicitly not value-free. We are not 
affiliated with any party. Yet our philosophy is that liberty is only possible 
when opportunities are truly equal. Today we are seeing that they are not. 
Capital and resources accumulate, inequality is on the rise, and your 
possibilities depend largely on your parent’s economic situation. Robert 
Putnam’s research, among others, show this very clearly. We invite researchers 
– including Putnam, to contribute and we try to create both a space for longer 
thoughts and a bridge between research and politics. We also produce our own 
analyses on policy issues including work and economic policy, the future of the 
welfare state, climate and energy policy, migration, and development. I’ve been 
in this job for just short of a year, coming from a background in consulting 
and before that the World Bank.

DSW: Thanks for this background—very helpful. Now let’s dive in. I first met 
you at a talk I gave at BI, Norway’s largest business school. My talk was 
titled “The Competitive Advantage of Cooperation” and you were present as a 
commentator. I was struck by how you described the Norwegian economy as a 
complex adaptive system with interlocking parts. Could you please repeat that 
succinct description?

SA: I would love to. My main point – well illustrated recently by the Economist 
and others, is that the Nordic model makes sense economically. It is not just 
about justice and equality. It is also – and more importantly – about using all 
the talent, using all the technology possible and changing all the time. That 
means high productivity.

The so-called Nordic model can be illustrated as a triangle consisting of three 
interlocking factors: First: a strong tax-funded welfare state providing 
education, healthcare and social safety nets. Second, an open market economy 
with active monetary and fiscal policies to ensure stability, distribution, and 
full employment. And third, strong collaboration in an organized labor market 
with coordinated wage formation and company-level collaboration.

Now this model has demonstrated the ability to combine relatively high taxes 
with high productivity. Productivity growth has fallen less in Norway than in 
many other countries. There are a number of reasons for this.

A collectively bargained and compressed salary structure means that low-skilled 
labor is relatively expensive while high-skilled labor is relatively cheap. 
Since high-skilled labor complements technology while low-skilled labor 
substitutes technology, three things happen. First, employers invest in 
technology to replace the expensive low-skilled workers. They also choose high 
skilled over low-skilled workers since the cost differential is small. Second, 
unless highly productive, the same employers cannot afford to keep workers and 
have to let them go. This ensures adaptability within companies but also among 
companies. Adapt or die.

DSW: Cultural evolution in progress…

SA: The latter is important and brings me to the next point. Just to illustrate 
– in the course of the last two years nearly 30,000 people have lost their jobs 
in oil and gas as a consequence of falling oil prices and a delay in investing 
in productivity growth in the sector. In the first wave, these were mainly 
guest workers but eventually also Norwegian staff. While dramatic on a personal 
level for those losing their job, this happened without any social crises or 
unrest. This is manageable because Norwegian workers have social safety, not 
job safety. Laid-off workers are ensured a certain safety net from the state.

The third thing that happens is good collaboration in the workplace. Norwegian 
worklife is characterized by limited hierarchy and short distance to the top. 
This means ideas can be brought forward and decisions made in the production 
line by trusted and qualified employees. In fact, research also indicates that 
firms with high levels of organized labor are more likely to restructure or 
reorganize.

DSW: This will surprise many American readers.

SA: Well they are not alone. It is a well-established myth I would say that 
organized labor hampers innovation and restructuring. But in a microcosm, most 
people would agree that good dialogue promotes better solutions for everyone. 
You know it is not in workers’ interest either to see companies go under. On a 
macro-level, the strong three-way collaborative of unions, employers and state 
also have common interests in ensuring responsible wage formation. And together 
they can also tackle broad and difficult reforms where long-term perspectives 
are necessary. Two examples: In the annual wage negotiations, the exporting 
industry always negotiates first and sets the stage for the others, thereby 
ensuring that wage growth will not exceed what exporters can handle. On a 
policy level, in 2008 the three partners negotiated the start of a massive 
pension reform that will give many people less but that will be necessary to 
ensure labor supply and public budgets with an aging population.

All this, of course, is not to say there are no challenges ahead. One is that 
as the labor market changes. With more service and knowledge workers and 
perhaps (not yet) more freelancing, we are seeing a decline in organized labor 
(membership in unions). It is now at 50 percent of the labor force and at some 
point may not be representative to uphold collective bargaining and a strong 
policy role. Second, with immigration comes a higher share of low-skilled 
workers than the typical Norwegian population. We are already having trouble 
including the Norwegian less-productive in a highly productive labor market. 
Allowing lower wages would undermine the above principles, and may even make 
social benefits more desirable than wages for some. So is not a good solution. 
Building competence and integrating more immigrants into the labor markets on 
its own terms seems more sensible, but is of course easier said than done, at 
least for the first generation immigrants (second generation immigrants in fact 
do quite well).

DSW: Even a highly adaptive complex system can be destroyed by external forces. 
Let’s talk more about innovation. Norway is sometimes portrayed as lacking in 
innovation but your analysis seems to suggest otherwise.

SA: There is an interesting discussion around what models actually foster 
innovation. To my understanding, Daron Acemoglu and others argue that while 
equal societies with a strong state and considerable safety nets are nice 
places to live, they are dependent on others (such as the US) to drive 
innovation because the main driver for innovation is the possibility to get 
ahead in an otherwise unequal society. Other researchers have questioned this 
analysis, questioning inter alia how innovation is measured. These researchers 
show that if you look at both patents and researchers per capita – Nordic 
countries perform far better than the US. Joseph Stiglitz also offers 
alternative theories arguing that high levels of trust and strong safety nets 
in fact promote innovation because the risk of failing is perceived as much 
smaller. And as another Nobel laureate, Daniel Khaneman, has illustrated – 
people tend to pick no risk over possible gain.

The road to innovation and success is paved with failed attempts. So it boils 
down to two core questions: First – what kind of relationships foster new 
thinking? And second, do people take risk and think innovatively if they have a 
lot to gain personally – or if failure in trying comes with low risk?

DSW: Your analysis of what’s “under the hood” of the Norwegian economy nicely 
illustrates the three factors that I listed in my introduction to this 
interview: 1) A strong state: 2) An inclusive state; and 3) A state that is 
adaptable as a complex system. I’d like to hear more about the third factor. 
How does Norway avoid the dangers of centralized planning on one hand and 
unregulated markets on the other hand? How does it cope with the fact that any 
policy intervention will have effects that cascade through a complex social and 
economic system?

SA: Well that’s a huge question. And I am not here to claim that the Norwegian 
economy has got it all figured out. But the building blocks are in place. And I 
want to stress something important that you also alluded to in your 
introduction: This is not a plan-economy. In fact my main point is not that the 
state alone makes the Nordic model. It is a complex and stable arrangement 
involving employers and employees – precisely to ensure private sector growth 
and exports. The economy is not centrally planned. The public sector share of 
GDP is high because welfare services and collective goods are either publicly 
run or publicly financed. But the economy in general has proved highly 
adaptable.

DSW: Thanks so much for your insider’s view of the Norwegian economy, which I 
think will be revealing to many American readers. Even better, I and my 
associates at the Evolution Institute look forward to working with you and your 
associates at Agenda to become—as I put it—wise managers of evolutionary 
processes.

SA: Thank you!

2016 April 26

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