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By David Sloan Wilson and Eric Beinhocker

This year marks the 10th anniversary of Eric Beinhocker’s influential book The 
Origin of Wealth: Evolution, Complexity, and the Radical Remaking of Economics. 
Like an earthquake tremor, Beinhocker’s book rattled the windows of the 
economic establishment by proposing a new foundation for the discipline that 
was paradigmatically different than its current foundation inspired by 
Newtonian physics.

The Origin of Wealth played a special role in my intellectual development. As 
president of the newly minted Evolution Institute (EI), the first think tank 
explicitly based on modern evolutionary theory, I was giving myself a crash 
course in economics and found Eric’s book enormously helpful. When I had the 
opportunity to organize a conference on “The Nature of Regulation” in 2009, 
with funding from NSF’s National Evolutionary Synthesis Center (NESCent), Eric 
was among the first people I invited and consulted with on others to include.

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That conference gave me the confidence to hold my own series of workshops, also 
supported by NESCent, culminating in a special issue of the Journal of Economic 
and Behavior Organization titled “Evolution as a General Theoretical Framework 
for Economics and Public Policy” in 2013. By that time, Eric had left his 
position at McKinsey & Company to become director of the Institute for New 
Economic Thinking (INET) at Oxford. The following year, we decided to join 
forces by submitting a proposal to Germany’s Ernst Strungmann Forum to organize 
a forum titled “Complexity and Evolution: Toward a New Synthesis for 
Economics”. Ernst Strungmann Forums follow a distinctive format that brings 
over 40 experts together for a five-day period. There are no formal talks; 
instead, the participants are divided into four groups that discuss articles 
written in advance, with lots of cross-fertilization between groups. The 
experience is much more impactful for the participants than the average 
scientific conference and the results are published in an academic volume by 
MIT Press.

Eric was a member of the Forum organizing committee, but then a skiing accident 
prevented him from attending the conference. The loss was felt by all, but the 
show went on and the MIT Press volume has just appeared in print.

The 10th anniversary of his book and the publication of the MIT Press volume 
makes it a fitting time to touch base with Eric on the past, present, and 
future of economic theory.

DSW: Greetings, Eric! I am looking forward to this conversation.

EB: Thanks for the very kind introduction David, a pleasure to be speaking 
(virtually) with you!

DSW: Let’s begin with the circumstances that led you to write your great book.

EB: My father instilled a great interest in science in me, particularly 
physics, evolutionary theory, and computation. However, in an act of teenage 
rebellion, I decided to study economics at Dartmouth rather than science. But 
one of the great benefits of a liberal arts education is I could still continue 
to take courses in science while I was studying economics. Two particularly 
influential courses were one on artificial intelligence, where I learned how 
real human intelligence and AI systems trying to imitate it were profoundly 
different from the rational models of my econ courses, and system dynamics 
(taught by the late Barry Richmond) where I learned that non-linear dynamical 
systems behaved nothing like the equilibrium models I was studying in econ. 
Both of these courses left me with profound cognitive dissonance – the theories 
I was learning in economics seemed to have little to do with the real world, 
while the ideas I was learning in these courses seemed much more descriptive of 
how a system like the economy worked. I continued to explore these ideas in 
graduate school at MIT, strongly encouraged by my advisers John Sterman and 
Rebecca Henderson. Then after graduating, I decided to work in business at 
McKinsey rather than academia (as well as pay back lots of student loans!) and 
that experience further reinforced my sense that the real world looked little 
like the economics textbooks. In 1994 my McKinsey mentor Dick Foster introduced 
me to Brian Arthur at the Santa Fe Institute and it was like I’d found 
intellectual nirvana. McKinsey then generously allowed me to have a sabbatical 
at SFI, which is where I did most of the research for the book.

DSW: What was the reaction to the book?

EB: As I was writing it, I would periodically think “they [orthodox economists] 
are going to really hate this part!” or “they’re really going to throw rocks at 
me for this!” So I was a bit nervous when it first came out. But then serious 
people like John Kay, Martin Wolf, and Steven Pearlstein wrote positive reviews 
of the book in the popular press, and Herb Gintis (who I hadn’t met before) 
wrote a very erudite review in the Journal of Economic Literature. To the 
extent there was criticism it was generally fair (e.g. my strawman portrayal of 
neoclassical economics was probably more true of macro than modern micro). 
Given the book was a frontal attack I was surprised there wasn’t more pushback, 
but I think in the years it took me to write it, the number of hardcore 
neoclassicists had already begun to dwindle and there was growing interest in 
new approaches. Then of course the 2008 crisis hit and things began to really 
shift.

DSW: Before getting to complexity and evolution, I’d like to discuss the 
disciplinary landscape of the economics profession. There are many schools of 
thought, but one maintains a position of dominance. Can you explain this 
intellectual and social dynamic for a broad audience?

EB: The rise and dominance of neoclassical theory and its political cousin 
neoliberalism is a fascinating bit of intellectual history. I owe a great debt 
to Phil Mirowski for opening my eyes to it. His book More Heat Than Light was a 
major source for the history chapter in my book and he kindly let me interview 
him during my research. My cartoonish summary would be that a group of very 
clever people in the late 19th century (Walras, Jevons, Menger, Pareto) wanted 
for very legitimate reasons to introduce mathematics and rigor into economics. 
But the tools they had at the time – primarily static equilibrium methods – 
were simply the wrong tools for the job. But they couldn’t have realized that 
at the time, and wrong tools were better than no tools, so their work set off a 
multi-decade creative burst of developing mathematical theories of the economy 
as an equilibrium system and shifting economics out of the philosophy 
department and into the new domain of social science. But as the neoclassical 
models became more elaborate they also became more detached from reality, and 
unfortunately the profession began to reward mathematical virtuosity more than 
empirical validity.

On a parallel track in the latter half of the 20th century, a group of 
economists and political entrepreneurs began to take many of the core 
neoclassical ideas and develop what came to be called neoliberal political 
theory to counter the rising post-war threat of socialism – Daniel Stedman 
Jones’s Masters of the Universe provides an excellent account. Thus by the late 
20th century academia was dominated by neoclassical economics, and politics and 
policy (at least in the U.S. and U.K.) were dominated by neoliberalism.

But as I argue in my book, the whole edifice was built on sand. The cracks had 
been forming for some time, but in 2008, shortly after my book was published, 
the edifice really began to crumble. The neoclassical program reached its 
absurd logical conclusion when modern macro had almost nothing useful to say 
about the crisis – Paul Romer’s recent paper “The Trouble with Macroeconomics” 
makes this case in intellectually devastating and witty fashion. And decades of 
stagnating wages, rising inequality, low social mobility and greater economic 
insecurity have led to a loss of faith in the center right/left neoliberal 
consensus, thus creating the vacuum that Brexit, Trump, and other populists are 
dangerously filling. So while this may all sound like abstract, intellectual 
stuff, it really matters in the real world!

DSW: Your account makes me want to develop our conversation in two directions. 
The first direction is scholarly: if the neoclassical edifice was built on 
sand, how does a combination of complexity theory and evolutionary theory 
provide a more solid foundation? The second direction is political and 
ideological. Why is political discourse about economic issues so disconnected 
from academic discourse? Any scholar will tell you that neoliberal discourse 
invokes major figures such as Adam Smith and Friedrich Hayek in ways that bear 
almost no relationship to their actual work. As for the financial collapse of 
2008, it might have dealt the final blow for neoclassical economics in the 
scholarly world but my impression is that the neoliberal “Masters of the 
Universe” recovered rather nicely in the political and real-world economic 
sphere, which is why our problems continue to get worse. And figures such as 
Donald Trump might capitalize on the fact that things are falling apart, but 
they will be among the last to embrace or even notice scholarly attempts to 
provide a more solid foundation based on complexity and evolution!

EB: Since you’ve asked a two-part question, I’ll give a two part answer.

First, in order to put economics on a sounder footing, we need to strip it 
right back to its intellectual foundations and build back up from there. At the 
foundation is an ontological question: what kind of a system is the economy? In 
my book I make a detailed argument as to why the answer is that the economy is 
a complex and evolutionary system. From my more recent work, particularly 
inspired by my interactions with the investor and philanthropist George Soros 
(disclosure: he is also a funder of my research center through INET), I would 
also add that the economy is a reflexive system. A core dynamic of the economy 
is the interplay between the subjective reality in people’s heads and the 
objective reality of the world. Our ideas about the economy affect the economic 
world (e.g. the contribution of neoliberal theories to policies which made the 
financial crisis possible), and the economic world shapes our ideas (e.g. the 
experience of 1930s German hyperinflation shaped German economic theory, which 
in turn has shaped Europe’s response to the euro crisis). There is a Journal of 
Economic Methodology special issue on reflexivity and a paper where I attempt 
to draw a link between complexity, evolution, and reflexivity.

If one accepts this ontological position, that the economy is complex, 
evolutionary, and reflexive, then one can start building a set of theories and 
models to describe it in those terms, and test those models empirically. In his 
paper, Romer calls neoclassical macroeconomics “post-reality economics”. He’s 
right. So the key challenge is whether we can use these new tools and ideas to 
describe the economy as it really is – a glorious mess of real human behavior, 
social networks, cultures, institutions, politics, and innovation – rather than 
the sterile idealized account of neoclassical theory. We know from economic 
history that the economy is an incredibly dynamic system, from the explosion of 
growth unleashed by the industrial revolution, to the booms and busts of 
financial crises, to the co-evolution of technologies and institutions. This 
doesn’t look much like an equilibrium system, and traditional economics has 
struggled to explain these phenomena. A key test then is whether a complex, 
evolutionary, reflexive view can do better.

This then leads to your second question. If we have better explanations of how 
the economy works (positive economics in the jargon) then we can develop new 
ideas on how we can make it work better (normative economics). How might we 
think differently about policy and politics and even big concepts like 
“capitalism”? I ended the Origin of Wealth with a chapter on this, but always 
felt it was unsatisfactory and incomplete. So that’s the subject of my current 
work and I’ve had a very fruitful collaboration with Nick Hanauer who is a 
philanthropist active in the real world of politics and institutions. For 
decades we’ve been told there are only two choices: free market neoliberalism, 
or redistributive socialism. In crude terms we can have growth or fairness, but 
not both. The economist Arthur Okun in the 1970s called this the “big 
trade-off” and it has framed much of our politics for the past several decades. 
We believe this is a false choice and neither is a good description of either 
how economies actually work, nor how they should work.

Instead, we draw on a variety of new economics work as well as work from 
anthropology and psychology to develop a view of the economy as an evolutionary 
system of cooperative problem solving (including drawing on your important work 
on altruism). We define prosperity as “solutions to human problems” and argue 
that cooperation is the key to solving more and more complex problems thus 
increasing prosperity. In our view the purpose of capitalism is not allocative 
efficiency (as often argued in neoclassical economics) but rather is an 
institutional system for incentivising and rewarding cooperative problem 
solving, and evolving new and better forms of cooperation and solutions. We 
outlined this view in a piece in Democracy in 2013.

We think this way of describing the economy has big policy and political 
implications because if you buy this story, then economic inclusion becomes 
central to how capitalism works. Including people in networks of innovators, 
workers, and consumers is an essential ingredient for growth, not just 
something you do for social justice reasons through redistribution afterwards. 
Inclusion does not imply equality of outcomes, which is neither possible nor 
necessarily desirable. But it does imply fairness of process, which the 
psychology literature tells us is what people actually care about – inclusion 
means that everyone participates in and contributes to the economy, and 
everyone benefits in a fair way. It is a concept more related to the ethics of 
Rawls or Sen than to neoclassical utilitarianism.

Where this line of argument ultimately leads is that our debates about growth 
versus fairness, about big versus small government, and trickle-down versus 
redistribution, are the wrong debates. What we should be debating are the best 
ways to give people the capabilities (a Sen concept) to be included in the 
economy and then how to include them. The middle class is the great engine of 
economic, social, and political inclusion, and we should be debating how we can 
strengthen and expand the middle class – what my collaborator Nick calls 
“middle out economics”. There is also a strong reflexive relationship between 
an inclusive economy and an inclusive democracy. They can mutually reinforce 
each other, as they did in the post-war rise of the middle class, growing 
social mobility and expansion of opportunity, civil rights and women’s rights. 
And we’ve seen the loop go into reverse since the 1980s with the hollowing out 
of the American middle class and capture of the political system by a 
plutocracy.

These are the topics of a book that Nick and I are working on, so watch this 
space!

DSW: Thanks very much! Excellent! All of this is consilient with my work with 
Elinor Ostrom, Peter Turchin’s work on the cultural evolution of large scale 
societies and the history of the United States, and the analysis of Norway as a 
case study of cultural evolution leading to a robust economy and high quality 
of life. Now let’s return to the scholarly question of how complexity theory 
and evolutionary theory can provide a more solid foundation for economics. I 
will be covering the content of the MIT volume in other interviews, so let’s 
focus on your impressions of progress since the publication of your book and 
your own efforts as director of INET Oxford.

EB: There has been a lot of progress since the Origin of Wealth was published. 
Notably the financial crisis shredded whatever credibility neoclassical macro 
had left and created space for new models and approaches. The major central 
banks have been surprisingly open to complexity inspired approaches and taken 
an interest in agent-based modelling, network theory and other tools. We were 
part of an EC funded project called CRISIS that worked on new approaches to 
understanding macro-financial interactions and had very productive interactions 
with policymakers and central banks. My colleague Doyne Farmer has continued 
that work, generating some important results and collaborating with the Bank of 
England. The OECD is also leading a promising initiative that we’ve been 
involved with called New Approaches to Economic Challenges that is exploring 
applying complexity ideas to policy. I’m also very excited about recent work on 
economic growth being led by figures such as Ricardo Hausman, César Hidalgo, 
and Luciano Pietronero that may lead to a deep evolutionary understanding of 
growth, innovation and development. Two areas where there is much potential are 
economic inequality and the economics of climate change. Inequality is about 
understanding the evolution of distributions and the agent-level processes that 
create them – natural topics for a complexity approach. Likewise, the problem 
of climate change is the “mother of all complex systems problems”, involving 
interactions between complex physical systems and complex socio-economic 
systems. Solving climate change requires economic transformation on the scale 
of the industrial revolution – a phenomenon that as I discussed in my book 
neoclassical models cannot explain. Thus I worry that the neoclassically 
derived models that dominate the field – and the policy recommendations that 
come from them – may be leading us down the wrong path. I also believe that a 
complexity economics approach could yield new insights into how to rapidly 
transform the system, how to trigger a new clean energy industrial revolution.

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DSW: One barrier to creating a new foundation for economics is that the 
integration of complexity theory and evolutionary theory is still a work in 
progress. This is something that I have long known and was evident during the 
Ernst Strungmann Forum. What are your thoughts on the current level of 
integration between these two bodies of theory?

EB: Not integrated enough! Which is why I very enthusiastically supported your 
efforts on the Strungmann Forum (and was very sorry to miss it due to my skiing 
mishap). It is like the old cliché about the blind men feeling their way around 
an elephant – complexity theory and evolutionary theory are clearly different 
parts of the same elephant. But they describe their respective parts of the 
elephant from different frames, from different disciplinary backgrounds, and 
with different mathematical and modelling tools. The terminology also makes it 
a bit confusing: “complex adaptive systems” is quite a broad category and 
encompass systems that are adaptive but not evolutionary, evolutionary but not 
adaptive, and both evolutionary and adaptive. Ecologies fall into the latter 
category with both biological evolution and adaptive behavior at work. Social 
systems, including economies, also fall into the latter category with both 
cultural evolution and adaptive behavior at work. And work by yourself and your 
colleagues at EI shows, things get even more complicated for social creatures 
such as humans as evolutionary selection is working at multiple levels, and in 
the case of humans across both genes and culture, and we have the reflexive 
feedback between the subjective reality of that collective culture (what some 
refer to as “inter-subjective reality”) and the objective reality of our world, 
which further drives cultural evolution. E.O. Wilson argues that this is now 
the dominant force on our planet, titling one of his books The Social Conquest 
of Earth. So the complex, evolutionary, reflexive system of human society is a 
challenging phenomenon to get our heads around, and we haven’t yet fully 
integrated these concepts nor found the right language to talk about them. But 
the Strungmann Forum was an important step in that direction and I hope there 
will be much more work to achieve consilience (another Wilson term) amongst 
these powerful ideas.

DSW: In chemistry, a catalyst is a substance that increases the rate of a 
chemical reaction, sometimes by orders of magnitude, without being used up in 
the process. I’m a believer that rates of cultural change can also be 
catalyzed. Positive change that otherwise might require decades or might not 
happen at all can be accomplished in years, but only if we know what to do. The 
progress that has been made since the publication of your book is too slow. 
What can be done to catalyze the “radical remaking of economics”, both inside 
and outside the Ivory Tower?

EB: Depending on the day of the week I either think things are moving quite 
quickly or painfully slowly. Policymakers are providing a major pulling force 
for new thinking. The crisis was a big wake-up call about the pathologies in 
standard economics and problems like inequality and climate change demand new 
approaches. On the other side, students are providing an important pushing 
force, rejecting curricula that paint abstract imaginary worlds and tell them 
little about the problems that will shape their future. This has led to some 
promising efforts on curriculum reform (see for example CORE). And in academia, 
there is actually a lot of very exciting economics being done – but much of it 
is being done outside of traditional economics departments, in psychology 
departments, business schools, public policy schools, computer science 
departments, environmental sciences, geography, sociology, history, 
anthropology, physics, and lots of other places dealing with complex human 
social phenomena. And within economics departments you often find a spectrum – 
from very open-minded people pushing the boundaries to others who are stuck in 
the neoclassical box and will never leave it. We probably won’t change the 
minds of very committed traditionalists, but in a sense economics is being 
reinvented around them. INET is working to try to help catalyze this change, 
supporting new research, building a community of scholars, engaging 
policymakers and the media, and supporting curriculum reform and young 
scholars. And Evonomics has provided a terrific outlet for bringing new 
economic thinking to a broad audience.

But it’s a long game. In my mind one of the biggest barriers to this shift is 
the academic journals. It is ironic that new economics work can get published 
in top science journals like Science and Nature, but struggles to get into the 
big name economics journals. We have some pretty jaw-dropping rejection 
letters, e.g. strong empirical work being rejected because it doesn’t fit the 
theory. Unfortunately it creates a strong incentive, particularly for younger 
researchers building their careers, to “play it safe” and do work that the 
journals will publish rather than challenge the orthodoxy. Romer’s paper 
describes this well – it creates a culture that defers to authority and 
precedent rather than promotes true scientific enquiry.

One can dismiss all this as squabbling academics. But it really matters. 
Humanity is in a race between the challenges we face – from populist threats to 
democracy and open societies, to poverty in the developing world, to climate 
change, to terrorism and conflict – and our ability to understand the complex 
societies we have created. It is a race that we have to win.

DSW: Thanks for this great conversation. You continue to be a great mentor.

EB: Thanks David, I’ve been enormously inspired by your work as well as your 
energy and the efforts of the Evolution Institute.

2016 September 29

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