Short answer: Yes, with an "entrepreneurial state". But the recent populism 
makes the root problems easier to see yet harder to fix. 

Can We Fix Capitalism in the Age of Trump and Brexit? - Evonomics
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By Lynn Parramore

Mariana Mazzucato, Professor of the Economics of Innovation at the Science 
Policy Research Unit of the University of Sussex and author of The 
Entrepreneurial State: debunking public vs. private sector myths, has made a 
passionate case for the government’s active role in the economy —sending the 
old laissez faire notion that markets can run themselves into the dustbin where 
it belongs. In a new book co-edited with Michael Jacobs, Rethinking Capitalism: 
Economics and Policy for Sustainable and Inclusive Growth, she offers a bold 
new vision for contemporary capitalism that works for the people and the 
planet. What chance does this vision have in the age of Trump and Brexit? 
Mazzucato shares her view.

Lynn Parramore: The new book is called “Rethinking Capitalism.” What aspects of 
capitalism do you think were most responsible for recent political shifts, like 
Brexit and the election of Donald Trump?

Mariana Mazzucato: In the book, we set out various failures in the model of 
capitalism that has dominated the last three decades — from instability of 
growth to increasing inequality to the threats of climate change. We argue that 
these failures are connected to failures of economic thinking.

Effects of these failures on the electorates of the U.S. and the U.K. are 
fairly well documented, and some – such as the inability to deliver growth that 
includes everyone – have now become electorally significant. Growth in 
productivity has diverged from growth in the share that working people can 
expect right across advanced economies, but this trend started earlier and has 
been more pronounced in the U.S.

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To give you some stats, real median household incomes in the U.S. were 
basically the same in 1989 as in 2014. But we are also seeing similar 
challenges in the U.K. in the stagnation of real wages. Recent analysis from 
the U.K. Institute for Fiscal Studies suggests that wages will still be below 
2008 levels in 2021. People work hard and companies make big profits, but 
employees don’t see that they share in the wealth they help to create.

For too long, these problems have been ignored. And the results of the U.S. 
election and the EU referendum showed that people were no longer willing to 
vote for the status quo.

Where there is less agreement is on the reasons why. It would be a mistake to 
overstate the similarities between the Brexit vote and Trump’s win – but there 
are common themes, not least in the rallying cries that the winning campaigns 
used. They focused on a supposed economic threat posed by outsiders – as 
immigrants or as trade partners. This fuelling of anxieties underpinned a 
narrative centered on the need to “regain control,” whether of borders or of 
economic forces. Unfortunately, simplistic framing of the problems leads to 
simplistic answers.

Another similarity of Brexit and Trump’s campaigns was an attack on so-called 
‘elites.’ This is not so much a failure of capitalism as of its high priests in 
the economic profession – for which we must all take some responsibility.

LP: So what’s the real story of what’s not working for so many?

MM: If we look at the complexity of the challenges facing western societies 
today, we see that the problems are not really about outsiders, but have their 
roots much closer to home.

Our current model of capitalism and the dominant ideas in policy making have 
led to a failure of investment by both the public and the private sector in the 
things that drive productivity, and which affect its distribution. Shareholder 
value theory — the destructive idea that companies should be run solely for the 
benefit of shareholders — has led to financialized businesses that do not 
invest in the areas that will lead to future growth or the invention of useful 
new products. Companies prefer to put money in the pockets of shareholders or 
to hoard cash rather than to raise wages or invest.

But it is not just how these ideas have affected the private sector. They have 
also had a detrimental impact on our understanding of the role government can 
play in raising both the rate of growth and shaping its direction. Mainstream 
economic theories popular in the last several decades have tended to downplay 
the government’s role in markets and to increase skepticism about even that 
more limited role. Austerity, particularly in Europe, has added to the problem. 
It has not worked, even on its own terms.

LP: In your earlier book, The Entrepreneurial State, you describe a model of 
capitalism that would address many of these problems. How does it work?

MM: My work has shown how a different understanding of the role of the state in 
growth can unlock private investment. Markets are not static entities that are 
‘intervened’ in (for good or bad) but are outcomes of public and private 
interactions. In my view, the state should be active and work in cooperation 
with private businesses to spur growth that’s sustainable and inclusive. The 
policy process is about co-creating and co-shaping of markets, creating new 
opportunities for business investment —and negotiating a better deal for the 
public too.

Historically, it has been an entrepreneurial state that stimulates and gives 
direction to new technological opportunities. It is those opportunities that 
stir the animal spirits of business to invest—and we can do that again. The 
examples I give in my book show that public investments are not only important 
for affecting the rate of growth but also its direction. And that these 
investments were most successful when mission driven, rather than aimed at 
single sectors. The venture capital industry entered biotechnology only decades 
after the National Institutes of Health led the way. Similarly, Apple’s 
i-products were only made possible due to the hefty public financing of all the 
technologies that make those products smart and not stupid: internet, GPS, 
touchscreen and SIRI. Today there are opportunities in green: indeed Germany is 
using its Energiewende policy as a way of envisioning a green transformation 
and innovation across many sectors.

If we want growth today to be more innovation-driven, more inclusive and more 
sustainable, then we need a more active state — not a less active one. Yet we 
still hear the dogma that we should just fix market failure by focusing on 
science and infrastructure, and to ‘level the playing field.’

Fixing markets isn’t enough. We have to actively shape and create them and 
‘tilt’ the playing field in the direction of the growth we want.

LP: What’s your impression of the possibilities to get things moving in a 
better direction in the wake of recent political shifts?

MM: Brexit and Trump have brought the problems of capitalism into sharp relief, 
but both are only making things worse. Take the investment challenge – 
businesses invest where there they see technological or market opportunity. 
Brexit has shrunk the market opportunities. Exiting trade deals will do the 
same for the U.S. Those deals must be actively shaped and governed to make 
growth more inclusive.

But – to look on the bright side – because the problems are now in greater 
focus and can no longer be pushed aside, maybe policy makers will be more 
creative in trying to address them.

I see signs of that, for example, in Theresa May’s explicit embrace of 
industrial strategy, with a seeming interest in focusing this on missions that 
help make a better society, which I’ve discussed recently with various people 
in the government. There is a lot of flesh to be put on the bones – but there 
is at least an opening for a more pragmatic, less ideological debate about how 
to build economies that work for people, within the limits of our planet.

With a Trump administration we don’t know enough yet to make predictions, but 
if past behavior is any indication, I am not encouraged. As I wrote in an 
article for the Guardian, as a businessman, Trump has been associated with some 
of the worst excesses of a particular style of value-extracting and asset 
stripping capitalism: set up businesses, let them fail, avoid paying suppliers, 
use bankruptcy laws to avoid taxes for decades, then set up another business 
somewhere else. It is this model that is the cause of many problems we see 
today.

LP: Trump seems to be rethinking fiscal policy with his proposal for an 
infrastructure program, which is interestingly a focus he shares with former 
candidate Bernie Sanders. What is your opinion of that focus?

MM: Too many politicians seem to reach for ‘infrastructure’ as the default 
answer to investment, as if roads and bridges were the answer to everything. 
Even the IMF and the World Bank seem to mainly offer infrastructure spending as 
an alternative to austerity, although they are right to focus on the need for 
investment.

While infrastructure is of course important, it must be part of a bigger 
vision. The point is not to simply dig ditches but to steer those investments 
towards transformational growth. We should be investing where the public 
returns are greatest – that is in innovation. If we look at Germany’s 
infrastructure policy, it has been driven by its mission-oriented focus on 
green infrastructure. This affects both innovation and infrastructure, old 
industries and new. The German steel industry, for example, has adapted to the 
policy by lowering its material content through a ‘repurpose, reuse and 
recycle’ strategy.

Added to this, my specific concerns with Trump’s plans are that they are likely 
to investments in infrastructure where the private returns are highest (for 
example toll roads and bridges) rather than where the public gains are greatest.

LP: Speaking of green, how have the stakes of rethinking the economics of 
climate change shifted with Brexit and Trump?

MM: Green is not just about renewable energy. It’s also about creating a new 
direction for the whole economy. This requires government to step up, not step 
back, creating the kinds of mission-oriented public organizations that will 
enable us to tackle climate change — as ambitious as those that got us to the 
moon. It also requires the financial sector to be less short-term since we know 
that short-term finance has distorted incentives and directions in areas like 
biotechnology.

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A new study we are doing with data produced by Bloomberg New Energy Finance 
looks at the role of public banks and other public entities in providing the 
strategic, patient finance for the green revolution. An interesting attribute 
of public banks is that they don’t only de-risk the downside, but also get a 
share of the upside. This brings us to John Maynard Keynes’ idea of the 
‘socialization of investment,’ which could provide new thinking on the types of 
public and private deals that the 21st century requires.

Brexit and Trump’s election are forcing countries to come up with new radical 
ideas. In this context, rethinking capitalism means rethinking the role of the 
public sector, the role of the private sector, the role of finance, and the 
relationship between them all. What is needed is both a New Deal in terms of 
mission-oriented investments but also a new deal in terms of a modern social 
compact—one that allows the state to socialize not only risks but also rewards. 
Maybe then innovation-led growth will also become growth that includes all of 
us.

Originally published here at the Institute for New Economic Thinking.

2016 December 10

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