Billy,

 

An interesting essay.  You introduced influences from sources I would have 
never considered… Mithras, oak tree oracles at Dodona, etc.  I was familiar 
with some of the pre-Christian customs that you mentioned.  

 

I have also heard references to winter solstice in the timing of the 
celebration of Christ’s birth.  What do you make of that waaay-pre-Christian 
observance?

 

Chris

 

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Subject: [RC] The Spirit of Christmas

 

The Spirit of Christmas

 

 

Christmas has been an historical interest of mine for many years,

at least since learning about its many borrowings from non-Christian

traditions from almost the beginning of the holiday itself. There is

an Atheist group in Florida, for instance, that has set up billboards

with the observation that December 25 was, to begin with, the date 

that the birth of Mithras was celebrated during the era of the Roman Empire. 

 

Of course, there is no date given in the Gospels for the time of  Jesus' birth,

although the interpretation is more-or-less common that shepherds watch

their flocks by night primarily in early Spring so maybe he came into

the world around March 21, which was celebrated in Mesopotamia

as the time of the resurrection of  Tammuz, in effect, his rebirth.

But these pieces of information only begin to scratch the surface:

Yule logs, mistletoe, wreaths, Santa Clause, magical reindeer,

gift giving at the time of the Winter solstice, and much else

all had their origins in pre-Christian faiths and traditions.

 

Some Christians, of course, also know these facts and have declared war

upon such customs. But it is entirely possible to see the fusion of 
non-Christian

religious traditions onto the Gospel story of Jesus' birth as found in  Matthew 

and Luke (but not Mark and John) as something good, to be cherished and 

revered. Just as Matthew, for instance, added a detail to the nativity story 

in which some Magi (we are not told how many even if our traditions

say there were three, or maybe twelve) visit the Christ child. Which is

most interesting inasmuch as "Magi" refers to Magians of what is now

Kurdistan,  the homeland of the Medes, hence sectarian Zoroastrians.

Indeed, some Romans adopted Magian trappings, in effect, pretending

to also be Zoroastrian priests, as did Simon Magus. So we are warned

to look out for imposters who, needless to say, are harmful to faith,

unlike actual Magians who venerate Jesus whatever else they

may believe.

 

Traditional Christmas carols may also incorporate non-Christian (Pagan)

customs, as does the wassail song, and O Tannenbaum, in reference to

the ancient custom of spiritualizing certain types of trees, like, for instance

the oak tree oracles at Dodona. And there are angels who are "on high," 

who also are vestiges of the deities of ancient pantheons even if there

are Biblical references to such spiritual beings as in Deuteronomy 32

and acknowledgements of "household gods" in I Samuel and Hosea.

 

All of this has been adopted and made Christian during the 2000 years

or so of Christian history. And why not?, just as the Japanese, who remain

Buddhist and Shintoist, have made Christmas trees part of their own culture

and, indeed, as happens today where you might least expect it, as among

Iranian Shi'ite immigrants in metro Los Angeles, or Shi'ites in Baghdad

who had, it seems, one of the largest Christmas trees in the world this year.

 

None of this subtracts anything at all from observance of Jesus' birth 

along more "orthodox" lines. Nothing subtracts anything of value from

one of the most magnificent of all Christian observances, Midnight Mass

at a Catholic church or cathedral, or subtracts from nativity pageants

or more modest celebrations featuring church members and little kids

at Evangelical congregations almost everywhere. Indeed, a sort of

religious competition helps explain why Americans celebrate the holiday

the way we do. The importation of Lutheran customs in the later 18th

century spurred the end of the Puritan custom of observing Christmas

with dour seriousness, no tree, no gift giving, etc, just prayer all day long.

And those Lutheran customs already featured synthesis with a number

of  Norse Pagan traditions, such as Santa himself, originally Wotan

but reinterpreted as an historical holy  man from Asia Minor

we call Saint Nicholas.

 

All of this says, to me anyway, that we are better for this kind of diversity

and that such diversity brings blessings into our lives in many different ways.

 

What does Christmas mean?  Some philosophical thinkers have had this

question on their agendas and bellow you will find three papers on the subject.

The holiday is so very beautiful in so many ways, yet is also raises questions

about commercialism, overindulgence, the worth or worthlessness of kitsch,

the place of families in the life of the mind,  how Christmas can educate 

people to their shared history, how philosophy itself has been shaped

by thinkers who were inspired by the Christian message or, s'il vous plait,

a message suffused with ideas and values from outside of Christianity

but recognized as good and important to our well being.

 

Some day there needs to be a fully developed "philosophy of Christmas."

We are just at that place now where this idea has begun to gain traction.

In other words, here is a golden opportunity.....

 

 

Billy

 

 

 

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from the site: Virtual Philosophy

 

 


November 29, 2006


The Philosophy of Christmas: An Interview with Stephen Law, author of The Xmas 
Files


 <http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/stephen_law/profile.html> Stephen Law 
first came to public attention with his excellent introductory philosophy book, 
 
<http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/search?ie=UTF8&keywords=stephen%20law%20philosophy%20files&tag=virtualphilos-21&index=books&linkCode=ur2&camp=1634&creative=6738>
 The Philosophy Files  
<http://www.assoc-amazon.co.uk/e/ir?t=virtualphilos-21&l=ur2&o=2> . Through 
skilful use of imaginative thought experiments he manages to communicate quite 
complex ideas to a very wide audience. His later books 
<http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/search?ie=UTF8&keywords=stephen%20law%20the%20outer%20limits&tag=virtualphilos-21&index=books&linkCode=ur2&camp=1634&creative=6738>
 The Outer Limits  
<http://www.assoc-amazon.co.uk/e/ir?t=virtualphilos-21&l=ur2&o=2>  and  
<http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/search?ie=UTF8&keywords=stephen%20law%20philosophy%20gym&tag=virtualphilos-21&index=books&linkCode=ur2&camp=1634&creative=6738>
 The Philosophy Gym  
<http://www.assoc-amazon.co.uk/e/ir?t=virtualphilos-21&l=ur2&o=2>  continued in 
a similar vein. More recently his polemic,  
<http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/search?ie=UTF8&keywords=stephen%20law%20war%20children%20minds&tag=virtualphilos-21&index=books&linkCode=ur2&camp=1634&creative=6738>
 The War For Children's Minds  
<http://www.assoc-amazon.co.uk/e/ir?t=virtualphilos-21&l=ur2&o=2> , addressed 
fundamental questions about moral education. But it is his book  
<http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/search?ie=UTF8&keywords=stephen%20law%20xmas%20files&tag=virtualphilos-21&index=books&linkCode=ur2&camp=1634&creative=6738>
 The Xmas Files  
<http://www.assoc-amazon.co.uk/e/ir?t=virtualphilos-21&l=ur2&o=2>  that is most 
seasonally appropriate. In this  brief interview for Virtual Philosopher, 
Stephen explains what it's about.

Nigel: Your book The Xmas Files is, as far as I know, the first book to look at 
the Philosophy of Christmas. Not an obvious topic. Could you tell me a bit more 
about it?

Stephen: It consists of 14 short chapters (some very short) each looking at a 
different aspect of Christmas in a philosophical way.

Nigel: One of the topics you write about, sentimentality, is particularly 
interesting. Ive already written a post about sentimentality:  
<http://nigelwarburton.typepad.com/virtualphilosopher/2006/11/sentimentallity.html>
 'Sentimentality as a Way of Avoiding Clear Thought'. What do you think  
sentimentality is, and are we particularly prone to it at Christmas time?

Stephen: Christmas is of course a great festival of Dickensian sentimentality - 
all that hearty back-slapping and good will. I won't define sentimentality, but 
I will suggest that it sometimes involves the disguising or hiding of reality 
by means of the kitsch, the Disney-esque. It often involves a form of 
self-deception. Christmas "round robins" are a good example. The authors are 
often guilty of sentimentalizing their own lives, presenting a glossy, 
sanitized version to both themselves and others. Not healthy, I think. And, I 
argue, potentially damaging.

Nigel : What other topics do you cover?

Stephen: There are chapters on the ethics of lying about that hideous tie Aunt 
Gertrude gave you, the morality of eating turkey (and meat generally), the 
dangers of kitsch Christmas sentimentality (attacked by e.g. C.S.Lewis), 
whether the Christian message of "peace" is such a good idea, whether our 
"thinking of others" at Xmas time actually goes anything like far enough, 
whether "faith" is a good idea, whether the "incarnation" of God even makes 
sense, whether atheists can enjoy Xmas with a clear conscience, and so on.

Nigel: How has your book been received? Have you, for instance,  been accused 
of 'unweaving the rainbow', removing some of the joy of Christmas by subjecting 
it to such critical analysis?

Stephen: Not yet, but it is only a matter of time, I guess.

Nigel: Throughout your work you put an emphasis on the improving effects of the 
good use of reason. How would you reply to those who maintain that this is an 
exhausted post-Enlightenment approach to life that is no longer tenable?

Stephen: Critics of the Enlightenment like Alasdair  MacIntyre and John Gray 
point out, correctly, that those Enlightenment philosophers who thought reason 
alone would answer all our moral questions (e.g. Kant) and would inevitably 
usher in a brave new world were mistaken on both counts. It is certainly true 
that we cannot simply "think" our way to being good. There is currently a great 
deal of attention being focused in the US on character education, which 
emphasizes the importance of instilling good habits (influenced by Aristotle). 
I agree. But of course none of this shows that the ability to think clearly and 
independently, and the courage to do so, aren't extremely valuable moral 
resources that none of us can afford to be without. In fact, those who distrust 
encouraging young people to think and question are usually either relativists 
who think there is no truth to discover, or religious authoritarians who simply 
want children to accept, more or less uncritically, what they are told (as an 
act of "faith"). This, by the way, is the central concern of my latest book,  
<http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/search?ie=UTF8&keywords=stephen%20law%20war%20children%20minds&tag=virtualphilos-21&index=books&linkCode=ur2&camp=1634&creative=6738>
 The War For Children's Minds  
<http://www.assoc-amazon.co.uk/e/ir?t=virtualphilos-21&l=ur2&o=2>  [Melissa 
Benn's  <http://www.guardian.co.uk/family/story/0,,1787968,00.html> feature on 
The War for Children's Minds from The Guardian].

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from the site:  The Philosopher's Eye

 

 


Christmas and Philosophy


 

We recently caught up with Scott C. Lowe, professor and chair in the Philosophy 
Department at Bloomsburg University of Pennsylvania, and editor of 
<http://www.wiley.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-144433090X.html> Christmas 
– Philosophy for Everyone: Better Than a Lump of Coal. He is also the author of 
“Ebenezer Scrooge – Man of Principle” which appeared in Think magazine in 2009. 
His philosophical interests are in political and legal philosophy. He hopes his 
students think of him as the reformed Scrooge at the end of the story, not the 
hard hearted Scrooge who meets the ghost of Jacob Marley.

PE: Why did you decide to edit a book on Christmas and philosophy?

SCL: It started with an article I published on Ebenezer Scrooge. He’s a great 
example of the role of character in morality which is a hot debate in ethics 
these days. From there it struck me that there are a lot of interesting 
questions about Christmas that philosophers might have something to say about.

 

PE: What are some of the central concerns of the book, and why are they 
important?

SCL: Christmas is the most widely celebrated holiday in the Western world, you 
can’t avoid it. So questions about what Christmas means to Christians and 
non-Christians alike seem pretty interesting and important to me. Questions 
like ‘should we lie to our kids about Santa?’ or ‘should we really worry about 
keeping Christ in Christmas’ are ones that lots of folks have thought about.

PE: And what is it that draws you (personally) to this topic?

SCL: The commercialization of Christmas is a really interesting, and 
disturbing, trend to me, even though I’m not a religious person. That Christmas 
has turned into an orgy of stuff really makes me think about what’s valuable in 
life

PE: What sort of reaction do you hope it will get?

SCL: There are a lot of different views about Christmas represented in the 
book. I hope people, of whatever stripe, will be challenged by what they read 
there. I’d like folks to read and think about Christmas more reflectively and 
not, say, just throw the book into the fireplace.

PE: Did anything in particular strike you through the process with working with 
the contributors to the book and with the material they produced (things you 
learned, surprises, etc.)?

SCL: The conflict between religious and secular Christmas is really old! I 
learned a lot about the history of Christmas celebrations from working on the 
book; the making merry part of Christmas has been around a long, long time.

 

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No idea how to eliminate the drab color areas from the article

but the material is interesting. Wittgenstein is not on my  list of

favorite philosophers, not at all. On the contrary, he is someone

to debunk some time, for various reasons, not least the fact that

he was homosexual and anti-Christmas. But here is a very different

approach to the theme of Christmas that might be thought about

to good effect, maybe in contrast to much better ways

to conceive of the holiday.....

 

 

from the site:  Philosophy by the Way

 

December 26, 2016

 

 

 


How 


to      Celebrate                                                               
celebrate                                                  Christmas:           
  Wittgenstein                                           


 

 

There is hardly any western philosopher who writes about Christmas. It’s a bit 
strange, since Christmas is the most important holiday in the western world, 
even though for many people it’s no longer celebrated because of its religious 
meaning. It has turned into an important secular holiday, especially to be 
celebrated in the family. In this way Christmas is gradually becoming important 
all over the world, also in non-Christian countries. Therefore, it’s remarkable 
that all major (western) philosophers philosophically ignore it, although much 
can be said about it. Even such a devote roman-catholic like Montaigne usually 
kept away from writing on Christmas, probably because he didn’t want to be 
involved in the religious conflicts of his time. He was afraid of being accused 
to support the Reformation, if he would present a moderate point of view.

 

It’s true that Sartre wrote a kind of Nativity play, when he was interned as a 
prisoner of war in Germany during Christmas 1940, but actually it was an act of 
solidarity with his fellow prisoners and a rejection of Nazism. But it is an 
exception and in fact only Wittgenstein devotes occasionally some words to 
Christmas. We know that he often celebrated it with his family – anyway before 
he definitively moved to England – but that he didn’t like it. However, during 
the First World War, so exactly hundred years ago, he was not at home, since he 
was a soldier. Wittgenstein wrote a diary during these years, and it would be 
interesting to know what he did on December 25 or 26, 1916, but alas, this part 
of his diary has been lost or he didn’t write about it. What we do know is what 
he did during Christmas two years before. These were the days that soldiers on 
the Western Front fraternized and celebrated Christmas together with the enemy, 
to the great annoyance of the generals, who succeeded to suppress this 
fraternization in later years. But in December 1914 Wittgenstein was in Eastern 
Europe and his post was behind the front line at a quiet place. So even if he 
would have liked to fraternize with the Russian enemy – which I doubt – he 
couldn’t do that.

 

Wittgenstein tells us that on Christmas Day 1914 he takes the midday meal in 
the officers’ mess. Was it special Christmas dinner? I don’t know, for he 
doesn’t mention what he ate. And Wittgenstein tells us that “he worked a bit”. 
The next day, on Boxing Day, he “hardly worked”, so he writes, and in the 
evening he went to a coffee house with a young man whom he had met, and he had 
an interesting discussion with the guy.

 

It needs some explanation what Wittgenstein means when he writes that he 
“worked”. He doesn’t mean that he did his tasks as a soldier, but that he 
worked on the manuscript of what would later become his Tractatus 
logico-philosophicus. We know even exactly what he wrote then:

 

“The proposition says something” is identical with: It has a particular 
relation to reality, whatever this may be. And if this reality is given and 
also that relation, then the sense of the proposition is known, "pvq" has a 
different relation to reality from "p.q", etc.

 

The possibility of the proposition is, of course, founded on the principle of 
signs as going proxy for objects. [Cf. 4.0312.]

 

Thus in the proposition something has something else as its proxy. But there is 
also the common cement. My fundamental thought is that the logical constants 
are not proxies. That the logic of the fact cannot have anything as its proxy. 
[See 4.0312.]

[from Notebooks 1914-1916]

 

In the Tractatus (4.0312) this would become:

The possibility of propositions is based upon the principle of the 
representation of objects by signs.

My fundamental thought is that the “logical constants” do not represent. That 
the logic of the facts cannot be represented.

 

So, during Christmas 1914, four months after he had voluntarily joined the 
army, Wittgenstein was working on the most fundamental thoughts of his early 
philosophy, namely that a language represents the world it depicts. This idea 
would become one of the basic ideas of analytical philosophy. Even though today 
we will not take it in a literal sense any longer, isn’t it still considered 
true that the words we speak represent at least our view on the world and how 
we want that others – the persons we are speaking to – see it?

 

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