“However, this is all some kind of joke. That is to note the naivete, ignorance, ineffectiveness, etc. of all too many Evangelicals and their
all-out retreat from any kind of moral witness in the world.” This is one of the reasons that I was so dumbfounded that so many evangelicals supported Trump. Chris From: BILROJ via Centroids: The Center of the Radical Centrist Community [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2017 12:14 PM To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: [RC] War against religion now in progress Hearing is believing. Most commentators so far have interpreted the Senate hearings with Dianne Feinstein and Dick Durbin as verging on being anti-Catholic. This line of reasoning does not go nearly far enough. It is anti-religion. Best reaction for anyone to take? I'm being sarcastic but let me suggest that you wring your hands, dismiss it all as a fluke, and pretend that there is nothing really wrong. Besides, "I don't know about religion stuff and all I need to know about religion is what I pray about on Sunday at church." After several months attending a Nazarene church here in Eugene my disillusionment with at least one form of Evangelical faith is pretty much complete. Not because Nazarenes or other Evangelicals are evil, the exact opposite is the case, these are good and decent and loving people who, from what I can tell, have sincere faith in Christ. However, this is all some kind of joke. That is to note the naivete, ignorance, ineffectiveness, etc. of all too many Evangelicals and their all-out retreat from any kind of moral witness in the world. This is anything but limited to the Nazarenes. Much the same thing exists at a non-denominational Evangelical church I sometimes attended a few years ago and which can been seen on Evangelical TV on different channels. Maybe call it "Joel Osteen's disease," to refer to his feel good version of Christianity that ignores any kind of Biblical imperative to be informed, to use one's critical thinking skills, and to take genuine -heartfelt- moral stands. "Well, I have prayed about the unborn, my responsibility has been fulfilled" seems to be as far as it goes. But the Apostle Paul attacked homosexuals uncompromisingly? O, O. O, well maybe he did, but we all know that Evangelicals habitually ignore all that stuff and change the subject as soon as it comes up, or use evasions so that Paul's truths can safely be ignored. Basically I am really fed up with such nonsense in the name of Jesus. Sure, by some standards I'm not much of a Christian because I am so over-the-line unorthodox, but it seemed necessary to express my sincere revulsion at "feel good Christianity." It is luke warm Christianity, run-away-from-the-world Christianity, guaranteed to bring failure to Christian faith. And now one form of Christian faith is being openly attacked from the floor of the US Senate. Does this matter to anyone? Billy ------------------------------------------- Dianne Feinstein Attacks Judicial Nominee’s Catholic Faith by ALEXANDRA DESANCTIS September 6, 2017 http://www.nationalreview.com by ALEXANDRA DESANCTIS September 6, 2017 5:40 PM @XAN_DESANCTIS This afternoon, during a confirmation hearing for 7th Circuit Court of Appeals nominee Amy Coney Barrett, Democratic senator Dianne Feinstein attacked the nominee for her Roman Catholic faith. Barrett is a law professor at the University of Notre Dame who has written about the role of religion in public life and delivered academic lectures to Christian legal groups. Drawing on some of these materials, Feinstein launched a thinly veiled attack on Barrett’s Catholic faith, asserting that her religious views will prevent her from judging fairly. “When you read your speeches, the conclusion one draws is that the dogma lives loudly within you,” Feinstein said. “And that’s of concern when you come to big issues that large numbers of people have fought for for years in this country.” Feinstein is clearly hinting here at the Supreme Court decision in Roe v. Wade, a ruling that Feinstein supports so vociferously that she has even called it a “super-precedent.” Here’s the video footage of Feinstein’s comment: Feinstein issued this highly unnecessary and evidently anti-Catholic comment in spite of the fact that Barrett said earlier in the hearing, “It is never appropriate for a judge to apply their personal convictions whether it derives from faith or personal conviction.” Other Democratic senators took issue with Barrett over her faith as well. Senate minority whip Dick Durbin criticized Barrett’s use of the term “orthodox Catholic,” insisting that it unfairly maligns Catholics who do not hold certain positions about abortion or the death penalty. (Durbin himself is a Catholic who abandoned his previous pro-life position.) “Do you consider yourself an orthodox Catholic?” he later asked Barrett point blank. And Hawaii senator Mazie Hirono snarked, “I think your article is very plain in your perspective about the role of religion for judges, and particularly with regard to Catholic judges.” These criticisms echo a report from the left-wing Alliance for Justice, which alleged that as a judge Barrett “would put her personal beliefs ahead of the law.” This and other claims contained in the report are completely unsubstantiated, much like the charge levied by Feinstein. In fact, Barrett has explicitly written that “judges cannot — nor should they try to — align our legal system with the Church’s moral teaching whenever the two diverge.” She has also insisted that judges ought to recuse themselves in situations when their faith conflicts with their judicial responsibility. One would think these arguments would resolve Democrats’ concerns, but it seems that those on the left are indeed willing to take issue with Barrett’s determination that Catholic judges should recuse themselves if personal convictions stemming from their faith would impede their ability to do their job. Feinstein’s comments this afternoon revealed that anti-Catholic bigotry is still alive in the U.S., even, and perhaps especially, among those leftists who are the first to decry prejudice and discrimination against other minorities. Update 09/07/17, 12:30 p.m.: Feinstein and Durbin have both responded to requests from National Review to further clarify their comments from yesterday’s confirmation hearing. Here is the statement Feinstein’s press secretary gave National Review this morning: “Professor Barrett has argued that a judge’s faith should affect how they approach certain cases. Based on this, Senator Feinstein questioned her about whether she could separate her personal views from the law, particularly regarding women’s reproductive rights.” Feinstein’s office also included the following information and quotes from Barrett’s past speeches and articles as “background” for Feinstein’s comments: Speaking to the 2006 Notre Dame Law School graduating class, Barrett said: “Your legal career is but a means to an end, and . . . that end is building the kingdom of God. . . . [I]f you can keep in mind that your fundamental purpose in life is not to be a lawyer, but to know, love, and serve God, you truly will be a different kind of lawyer.” Admittedly, this is about lawyers and not about judges, but it speaks to her views on a legal career in general. In a December 2015 piece for the University of Notre Dame Alumni Association, Barrett wrote that “[l]ife is about more than the sum of our own experiences, sorrows, and successes. It’s about the role we play in God’s ever-unfolding plan to redeem the world.” She continued: “That sounds lofty, but it’s about taking the long view. Do we see success through the eyes of our contemporaries, or through the eyes of God? Do we focus only on what God does for us, or also on what God can do for others through us.” And this is a line from Catholic Judges in Capital Cases that indicates that Barrett believes religion should affect an individual judge’s decisions vis-à-vis capital cases, even as it confirms she doesn’t believe religion should impact our overall legal system. “Judges cannot — nor should they try to — align our legal system with the Church’s moral teaching whenever the two diverge. They should, however, conform their own behavior to the Church’s standard. Perhaps their good example will have some effect.” [Emphases added by Feinstein’s office.] Durbin likewise denied being motivated by the belief that a nominee’s religious views might disqualify her from serving as a judge. Here’s Durbin’s statement to National Review: I prefaced my remarks by saying that going into a person’s religion is not the right thing to do in every circumstance. But she’s been outspoken. As a law school professor at Notre Dame she has taken on the tough challenge of how a person with strong religious beliefs becomes a judge and looks at American law. So I think she has fashioned herself somewhat of an expert and I didn’t feel uncomfortable asking that question. Durbin’s communications director also pointed to Texas senator Ted Cruz’s line of questioning yesterday, in which Cruz asked Barrett, “I’ve read some of what you’ve written on Catholic judges and in capital cases and, in particular, as I understand it, you argued that Catholic judges are morally precluded from enforcing the death penalty . . . please explain your views on that because that obviously is of relevance to the job for which you have been nominated.” Neither of these “clarifications” gives any indication that Feinstein and Durbin understand the gravity of their comments and questions yesterday. The quotes provided for context by Feinstein’s office reveal the senator’s severe misunderstanding and ignorance of what it means to live as a person of faith, and the statement from her press secretary exposes the underlying issue: a dogmatic insistence on upholding abortion rights over all else. Meanwhile, Durbin’s statement shows that his question yesterday stemmed precisely from a distrust of Barrett’s subscription to certain Catholic teachings as a person of faith. Not to mention the fact that the Illinois senator surely would not apply his logic consistently to every judicial nominee who has in some way “been outspoken” or “fashioned him or herself somewhat of an expert.” Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/451137/dianne-feinstein-amy-coney-barrett-senator-attacks-catholic-judicial-nominee -- -- Centroids: The Center of the Radical Centrist Community <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Google Group: http://groups.google.com/group/RadicalCentrism Radical Centrism website and blog: http://RadicalCentrism.org --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Centroids: The Center of the Radical Centrist Community" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> . 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