Thanks Ernie! I am getting into cash equivalent.
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Centroids Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2019 10:04 AM To: Centroids Discussions <[email protected]> Subject: [RC] The coming Chinese recession I’m going to stick my neck out: China is in a bubble of false expectations, and it is going to burst. Hard. China is more like Enron than the US. Everyone has incentive to cook the books to make themselves look good, so there’s zero real oversight. They will keep that up as long as they can, until everyone is exhausted. Then everything will go boom. I predict a lot of false dawns in 2019 as the “numbers” make it seem like the crisis is past. Then it will hit the fan in early 2020. Anyone want to bet against me? E https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/07/trump-is-winning-the-game-of-economic-chicken-right-now-with-china-but-that-could-soon-change.html Trump is winning the game of economic chicken right now with China, but that could soon change <https://www.cnbc.com/patti-domm/> Patti Domm Play Video <https://fm.cnbc.com/applications/cnbc.com/resources/img/editorial/2018/04/06/105114519-AP_18016719139328.530x298.jpg?v=1546889020> The trade war may be hurting China more than the U.S., but by spring, China could be looking up as the U.S. slows, particularly if the friction continues, economists said. According to Bank of America Merrill Lynch economists, the China slowdown could start to reverse in the next couple of months, due to large amounts of domestic stimulus. For the U.S., economists have been forecasting a slower second half of the year, with growth under 2 percent in some forecasts, as stimulus from tax cuts and spending wears off. <https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/04/timeline-of-us-china-trade-war-and-trump-tariffs-as-talks-in-beijing-start.html> Trade negotiators are meeting in Beijing this week, and positive comments around those talks have been helping steady markets. "So far the trade war has had a much bigger impact on Chinese growth than US growth. However, that could change by next spring," the BofAML economists said in a note. "... the US has tried to minimize the blowback from its tariffs by avoiding consumer products and either avoiding or giving exemptions for products without easy substitutes. Looking ahead, the next moves would be much more painful." Play Video <https://fm.cnbc.com/applications/cnbc.com/resources/img/editorial/2019/01/04/105660629-6ED4-REQ-0104ShutdownImpasse.530x298.jpg?v=1546630134> The economists also say China has more leverage to fight the impacts of the trade war on its economy, while the U.S. risks seeing a drop in confidence. "The impact of the trade war on U.S. confidence seems to be growing," BofAML economists noted. "Until recently, consumer, business and investor confidence seemed to be Teflon coated when it came to policy uncertainty. The US had a big offset to the trade war — a double dose of tax cuts and spending increases. Now, with the stimulus fading, confidence seems more sensitive to news that would have been ignored in the past." <file://www.cnbc.com/quotes/%3fsymbol=AAPL> Apple's revenue miss, announced last week, also highlighted that China was being impacted by trade wars and the potential for more damage to U.S. companies and the economy. Apple blamed a revenue shortfall in large part on <https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/03/apple-shows-the-us-and-china-have-both-taken-hits-in-trade-war-and-could-be-motivated-to-reach-a-deal-.html> iPhone sales in China. But the BofAML economists also say that Apple's revenue miss exaggerates the weakness in the Chinese economy, while other factors could be slowing Apple sales, including competition, price, an informal boycott of U.S. goods, and the drop in China's currency. 'Great incentive' Trump administration officials and the <https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/07/trump-says-china-talks-are-going-very-well.html> president himself have pointed to the slower Chinese economy as a reason for Beijing to negotiate. "I think China wants to get it resolved. Their economy's not doing well," President Donald Trump told reporters at the White House on Sunday, according to Reuters. "I think that gives them a great incentive to negotiate." <https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/07/commerce-secretary-wilbur-ross-us-tariffs-pressure-chinas-ability-to-create-jobs-to-stave-off-social-unrest.html> Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross said Monday that the tariffs are making it difficult for China to stave off social unrest. But economists say the Chinese economy should start turning around. The BofAML economists say that China has more room to ease policy in response to the trade war. Last week, China implemented another cut in bank reserve requirements, and more moves have been expected. "China is employing its full arsenal of stimulus tools — monetary and credit easing, a weaker currency, spending increases and tax cuts," the BofAML economists noted. "… Meanwhile, the US has limited room to loosen policy. Fiscal policy is trapped in gridlock and the government shutdown actually means a small fiscal tightening. The Fed can cut rates, but is reluctant to do so with the economy already beyond full employment. It also worries that a quick response creates moral hazard by anesthetizing the rest of Washington against its policy problem." Play Video <https://fm.cnbc.com/applications/cnbc.com/resources/img/editorial/2019/01/07/105664104-2ED3-REQ-TNAppleFULLSEG-010719.530x298.jpg?v=1546891603> Cesar Rojas, Citigroup global economist, said he sees an opportunity for a deal now, in part because of the dynamic of weaker Chinese growth, but there is no guarantee one will be reached. "There is a window of opportunity for the U.S. and China to come to a deal," he said. "Growth is moderating in China, equity markets have been falling in the U.S. and China, and this basically opens a window of opportunity. This may close soon." Rojas said the U.S. economy is still strong, giving it more leverage against China, where its stimulus has so far failed to stem weakening. But that should change, and China could stabilize as the U.S. growth weakens later in the year, shifting the advantage to China. There could be a scenario where the March 1 deadline passes without new tariffs. "Even if there is no tariff increase, we describe this situation as tariff limbo. This uncertainty is having an effect on the economic decisions, which is already having an impact," he said. Sent from my iPhone -- -- Centroids: The Center of the Radical Centrist Community <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Google Group: http://groups.google.com/group/RadicalCentrism Radical Centrism website and blog: http://RadicalCentrism.org --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Centroids: The Center of the Radical Centrist Community" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> . 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