Myles, did you listen to the audio?
I had a bit of feed back this morning from people who had not, I
believe this is probably why (I think) you missed the "point" of my
presentation?

Thanks for the insight of how your brain works :) I always knew it was
a wild and scary place.

On Jun 29, 4:25 pm, Myles Byrne <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 12:26 AM, Ben Schwarz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> My slides (with audio, thanks to Josh Basset!) are 
> onlinehttp://www.slideshare.net/benschwarz/why-haml-sucks-or-why-you-should...
>
> Awesome. Is your next preso on "Why Ruby Sucks or Why You Should Think
> Before Choosing Ruby for Your Next Project". Honestly people should just
> learn to write better PHP.
>
> Seriously though, here's how I think about HAML (and language quality in
> general): If you randomly pick a line (or even a short string) from a file,
> what are the chances that piece will contain a *contextually relevant* chunk
> of information and not just some boilerplate that's there to help the
> computer process the data.
>
> There's something that's built into our psychology that tends to associate a
> good visual helping of metadata with "work" and "quality". This story came
> up on hackernews recently[1] that's kind of cheesy but illustrates the point
> well. I know the feeling, I'm guilty of this myself. For the longest time
> typing this:
>
>   <style type="text/css"></style>
>
> Just Felt Right.
>
> The part of my brain that appreciates "correctness" just overruled the part
> that said "there's only on style language the browser actually understands
> and it's going to be like that for a very long time and even when it's not
> that new style language will probably still have a mime-type with a
> preceding 'text/' ... and even when we're embedding a fancy new style
> language that is not text (not sure what this would even look like, base64?)
> then the browser will probably still try to detect CSS first because it
> makes logical sense to do so".
>
> You have to conquer this part of brain, the part that sees an XML document
> that is 90% tags and thinks "I wonder if this validates" rather than
> "Where's the signal". Progress depends on it. HAML is the right direction.
>
> -- Myles
>
> [1]http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=677655
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