Gabe, thanks for the link. I think JS templating for jQuery is a great idea.

Now if someone could just implement HAML in JS, it'd be impossible to render
structurally malformed HTML with a typo, and it'd tidy up a bunch of view
code...

On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Gabe Hollombe <[email protected]> wrote:

> Lately, I've had some similar thoughts myself, Craig.  I've been using John
> Resig's micro templates approach for outputting html from json data
> structures, but I still have a somewhat unstructured approach to where/how I
> include event handlers on my pages. So, my reply isn't too much help here,
> other than mentioning the micro templates approach.  But, at least you know
> you're not the only one thinking about these things.
>
> I'd be interested to hear other folks' thoughts as well.
> -g
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Craig Ambrose <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> I'm feeling the need for a bit of structure, like that provided like a
>> framework like rails, for the client side of my rails apps. I'm
>> finding that more and more I'm really disliking returning javascript
>> from rails requests. Doing so makes lots of assumptions about the page
>> that is making the request, and makes my rails actions less versatile.
>> I'm also doing more and more on the client side, and so I really want
>> to just talk to the rails app via JSON for all AJAX behavior.
>>
>> I could of course switch to a client side framework (like GWT, or EXT-
>> JS), and could still use rails for a backend. However, I'm not saying
>> that I want to built totally client heavy apps. I'm just saying that
>> *when* I choose to use AJAX, I want to leave the task of presenting
>> the result to the client. I still want to use a lot of non-ajax pages,
>> as most of my work is still "webby", not just a single page app.
>>
>> So, my javascript is better than it used to be. I organise my
>> javascript into classes, and put each class in a seperate file (using
>> caching to combine them later). That's about the extent of it.
>>
>> Javascript programming (for the web) is by nature fairly event driven.
>> It feels a lot like building desktop applications. I think my
>> javascript could benefit from the structure a framework wold provide.
>> In fact, I even think that MVC is the right pattern. Models could
>> provide functionality on top of the simple data structures transmitted
>> from the server as JSON. Controllers handle events on the page and
>> decide what to do. Views may or may not be necessary, but html
>> templating in javascript is sometimes necessary if we're building
>> parts of the page on the fly.
>>
>> Most importantly though, a framework would give me expected directory
>> structure, common plugin structure, and encouragement to test. The
>> benefits would be many, including making it easier to spot duplication
>> (due to the common structure), and easing multi-developer work.
>>
>> What options do I have here? What have people tried for rails? I've
>> used EXTJS before, but I'm looking for a way of organising my JS
>> inside rails, not an actual javascript interface library. Does anyone
>> know of any plugins, or have any thoughts?
>>
>> cheers,
>>
>> Craig
>>
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