Well parsed :) I'm also saying that tests are often the hardest part to get right, and that sometimes (counterintuitively) by optimising for testability above even code quality, you might even end up with both better tests and better code. Or at least, I'm offering that viewpoint up for discussion - I'm not married to it, but it seems plausible.
As for the dogma, please treat it in the same spirit: it was intended as a few talking points, rather than a religion. On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 11:57 PM, Lachie <[email protected]> wrote: > If I parse Dave correctly he's saying that tests are 1st class parts > of an app, as elemental as the business logic itself. > > If not, then I'd have to disagree :D > > As for declaring canon, doctrine or dogma: I find restricting software > practices to that degree is deleterious to the enjoyment of my craft. > > Testing in your head works for some people, some projects. For srs. > But you have to be confident that you can get your software to the > level Josh suggests, for you, your customer and the next guy to work > on it. It doesn't matter how. > > Lachie > > On Wednesday, March 10, 2010, Josh Price <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 10/03/2010, at 3:40 PM, David Lee wrote: > > > >> * The tests are more important than the application. > > > >> > > I agree that tests are very important. However, what really matters to > clients who pay us money to build software, is an application that does what > they expect it to. I don't think we can ever afford lose sight of that fact. > > > > Tests ensure that the software is *working* software (for some value of > working), and will continue to do so. I really don't see how they could ever > be more important than the application that they test. > > > > Josh > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<rails-oceania%[email protected]> > . > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en. > > > > > > -- > :lachie > http://plus2.com.au > http://smartbomb.com.au > http://www.flickr.com/photos/lachie/ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<rails-oceania%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en. > > -- cheers, David Lee -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en.
