I'm thinking to my self-GW? God Willing? no. Oh yea the president! I sure hope so too. I was a bit taken back with the rash, callous talk on the group too. It struck me as carnal flesh reacting and not spiritual brothers & sisters in Christ. Its easy to get caught up in. Just today I was driving down the road and half talking to God and half thinking. I thought of what God would require of as a nation to keep us safe and I felt that He was saying to me that we are Guilty of shedding of innocent blood even more so that the Terrorists were. We have shed the innocent blood of millions of babies as a sacrifice for our sins and the want of convience. I felt like He wanted me to tell everyone to stop the bloodshed and He will stop the attacks. Instead of God Bless America we need to think about how America can Bless God. Bob Simons
For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. Jer. 29:11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lorraine Mourning" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [RR] Don't Spare the Rod > Bob, > I'm glad too. I'm a bit of a coward (after being really flamed once or twice > on Rangernet). That is why I more often than not get caught up in the > silliness. It is ok if someone doesn't agree with my point of view, I just > don't feel it is necessary to attack each other. Sometimes we just need to > *Respect* it for what it is an opinion. God made us all different, with > different cultures and experiences. How can we possibly all be of one mind > all the time. It sure is nice we we find some common ground. I think GW can > accomplish a lot for this country. > blessings, > Lorraine > > > > >Yes I did and I was glad to hear that we agree. I wasn't too sure since we > >have had a lot of disgreement on the spanking issue. The police our there > >to > >defend us and we shouldn't feel like criminals. The ACLU was starting by a > >Communist sympathizer and a draft dodger and did time in prison-a criminal > >and yet we let them set our standards. Hopefully this will change with our > >new President. > >Bob Simons > > > >For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD, > >"plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give > >you hope and a future. Jer. 29:11 > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Lorraine Mourning" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 11:54 AM > >Subject: Re: [RR] Don't Spare the Rod > > > > > > > Sometimes it makes me very angry, and sad that the state has so much > >power > > > over our children. I see kids sleeping on filthy mattresses, nothing in > >the > > > fridge, and parent who just don't seem to get it. Where is the state to > >help > > > these children? Yet take an otherwise decent family. A family that took > >the > > > child to the Dr. because the cared enough to notice that something > >wasn't > > > right with their child. The Dr. thinks the baby has been stuck over the > >head > > > with a blunt instrument and immediately calls in protective services. > >The > >10 > > > month old is whisked away into foster homes for two years. Two years > >that > > > his undiagnosed rare condition that caused holes to form in his skull > >went > > > without much needed medical treatment. > > > > > > I remember when my son was 4 and he saw his aunt across the street. Like > > > lightening he shot off across a very busy street, right in front of a > >car. > > > Getting to him, I just about yanked his arm out of the socket, as the > >car > > > screeched to a halt. I reacted and smacked his little behind, before > > > breaking down and sobbing and hugging him. Only then did I look up and > >to > >my > > > horror find out the car he had run out in front of was a police car. He > > > pulled over. I felt like such a criminal. I was shaking in my shoes. > > > Thankfully he gave me his # incase anyone reported me for the incident. > > > > > > We can't discipline our kids, but yet we are held responsible when they > >do > > > something wrong?? Where is the much needed intervention (of help) that > >some > > > of my sadly neglected bus kids need!!! > > > > > > there is too much to go into in great detail, but this should give you > >an > > > idea. You did ask. Smile. > > > > > > Lorraine > > > > > > >But who were you angry at and why were you sad? > > > >Bob Simons > > > > > > > >For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD, > > > >"plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give > > > >you hope and a future. Jer. 29:11 > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Lorraine Mourning" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 7:31 AM > > > >Subject: Re: [RR] Don't Spare the Rod > > > > > > > > > > > > > this makes me angry and very sad!! > > > > > Lorriane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Bob Simons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > >Subject: [RR] Don't Spare the Rod > > > > > >Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 22:03:07 -0700 > > > > > > > > > > > >Heres an article about spanking. > > > > > >They Don't Spare the Rod > > > > > >The Bible commands corporal punishment. Social workers take the > >kids. > > > > > > > > > > > >BY MEGHAN COX GURDON > > > > > >Friday, August 17, 2001 12:01 a.m. EDT > > > > > > > > > > > >As Americans were tucking into their Fourth of July barbecues this > > > > > >year, a crowd was watching aghast as social workers and police in > > > > > >Canada dragged seven children screaming from their Aylmer, Ontario, > > > > > >home. "There was a six-year-old girl with policemen carrying her by > > > > > >her arms and legs, and the fear in that kid's face was > > > > > >unbelievable," neighbor Ernie Timmins told reporters. "The > > > > > >screeching was so unbearable I had to leave." > > > > > > > > > > > >The pretext for this Elian-like raid? The parents, German-speaking > > > > > >members of the Church of God, a Mennonite sect, had refused to > > > > > >promise child-welfare officials that they would not use rods or > > > > > >switches to discipline their children. > > > > > > > > > > > >Social workers, who had first visited the family after receiving a > > > > > >tip that the parents were not using their hands to spank their > > > > > >children, were apparently willing to leave the family intact > > > > > >provided the parents changed their method of corporal punishment. > > > > > >The parents refused, saying the use of a rod or switch is > > > > > >sanctioned by the Bible. > > > > > > > > > > > >Neighbors scoff at the idea that the parents abused the children. > > > > > >"The kids are nice and clean, well-dressed and well-disciplined," > > > > > >one man told the National Post newspaper. "I live right beside > > > > > >them," said Mr. Timmins. "I'm sure I would have seen something that > > > > > >seemed suspicious." > > > > > > > > > > > >Ontario law permits parents to spank children with their bare > > > > > >hands. Congregants of the Church of God, however, say their hands > > > > > >should be instruments of affection. With scriptural support, they > > > > > >believe corporal punishment is a crucial part of child rearing that > > > > > >should only be carried out with objects such as sticks or belts. > > > > > >Canadian anti-spanking campaigners call this child abuse. > > > > > > > > > > > >Biblical justification for the Church of God's practices appears in > > > > > >the Book of Proverbs: "Withhold not correction from the child, for > > > > > >if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat > > > > > >him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell." It is > > > > > >difficult to imagine a sentence more at odds with modern Canadian > > > > > >sensibilities. Unlike the U.S., Canada is an aggressively secular > > > > > >country in which, tellingly, political prudence requires the > > > > > >concealment of Christian faith rather than its unembarrassed > > > > > >display. > > > > > > > > > > > >The raid prompted an exodus of families from Aylmer's Church of > > > > > >God. Within two weeks, more than 100 mothers and children fled > > > > > >Canada for fear that they might be next to face punitive scrutiny. > > > > > >Roughly half have made their way to sister churches in Indiana and > > > > > >Ohio. The rest have sought refuge in a Church of God community in > > > > > >Cuauhtemoc, Mexico. According to Henry Hildebrandt, pastor of the > > > > > >Church of God in Aylmer, his parishioners will return to Canada > > > > > >only when they receive assurance that their children won't be > > > > > >abducted by the state because of their beliefs. Dozens of families > > > > > >are reportedly considering seeking asylum in the U.S. > > > > > > > > > > > >What makes this tale of apparent religious persecution especially > > > > > >piquant is that Canada endlessly preens about its own "tolerance" > > > > > >and "multiculturalism"--qualities that would seem to be missing in > > > > > >the Aylmer case. At the same time, this paradox is unsurprising: A > > > > > >significant swath of Canadian public opinion thinks that, in > > > > > >matters of child rearing, the state knows best. > > > > > > > > > > > >Before the federal election last fall there was widespread debate > > > > > >over whether the government had a social duty to provide a national > > > > > >day-care system. The debate was less over whether children are best > > > > > >raised at home or in government-run facilities than over the > > > > > >potential cost. Callers to talk radio complained that stay-at-home > > > > > >mothers are leeches who ought to be out working so as to pay taxes > > > > > >to fund day care. Such are the odd parameters of Canada's debate > > > > > >over raising children. It is in this context that the Aylmer case > > > > > >should be seen. > > > > > > > > > > > >After three weeks in foster care, meanwhile, the seven Aylmer > > > > > >children are back at home under an interim arrangement with the > > > > > >family court. Their parents have agreed to spare the rod while the > > > > > >matter is adjudicated. > > > > > > > > > > > >Carole-Anne Vatcher, a Toronto social worker, told an interviewer > > > > > >that she's happy that the children are home but concerned that > > > > > >physical chastisement will continue. "A victory in this case would > > > > > >be for these kids to go home and their parents to stop hitting them > > > > > >altogether," she said. It is the parents, of course, who need to be > > > > > >disciplined. > > > > > > > > > > > >Mrs. Gurdon is a writer living in Toronto. > > > > > > > > > > > >Bob Simons > > > > > > > > > > > >For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD, > > > > > >"plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give > > > > > >you hope and a future. 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