Been out of town for a whlie, and haven't had time to stop by 'till now, so I've just been deleting everything last couple weeks. Finally got a minute today to meander by and couldn't help overhearing this conversation. Felt compelled to throw my two cents in where I saw fit:
----- Original Message -----
From: Doc EagleDad
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 11:48 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: NEW QUESTION? [RR] *If I buy you lunch for $20..
--- mrkcrcl12 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My Pastor uses "interactive" sermons on many occasions. These sermons
> use input and responses from the people in the pews. (He doesn't use a
> pulpit either...how refreshing.) They are definatly not what I call
> entertaining but they do get and keep your attention and they are
> extremely effective at getting the point across. I've encountered both
> the structured/non-interactive church service and the interactive church
> service. Given an option...give me interactive any day...in a
> interactive service the mind doesn't wander as much and you don't dare
> go to sleep...grin.
I "get" what lot's of you are trying to say..
I'd appreciate it if you understood that I've encounterd some
DOMINATION and EXTREAMIST views while sitting in a pew..We do. We all do, and we all have experienced the same thing if we have sat in a pew for any length of time. It is bound to happen, since humans stand facing you behind the pulpit when you are sitting in that pew...it is up to us to decide how these experiences will affect us. Either be sharpened or be dulled. To cry foul and claim victimized status is admission to being defeated by the enemy. It's hard enough for me to walk this straight and narrow way without carrying around a bunch of baggage dumped on me by someone I chose to be victim to. I'd much rather choose to lay it aside, go on, and be a little wiser for it.
At times, I have sat under circumstances similar to what you relate and imagined how much better I would have handled the situation than the person behind the pulpit did... NOT! Fact is, I don't even have what it takes to get up there....so who am I to say?
Much of this happened at the hands of OLD SCHOOL preachers
handing down the effective techniques taught them.. The thing
they depend on is to "Know their audience".. and in the process
of OLD TIME "religion" some of the stuff that went on was 'flesh
and 'showmanship.
*If you travel.. you "perfect" your delivery, your pace and your
ability to watch the audience. *This is NOT a gift of desernment.
*Likewise, If you sit in a pew and "get into" a traveling preacher
don't be surprised if he rises to the occasion<G> *This also
may or may not be a "spiritual moment" I know exactly the type your talking about. Seen 'em before. Pitiful sight, ain't it? Forgot how to depend on the power of God so they resorted to smoke and mirrors. I never know whether to pity 'em or despise 'em, rebuke 'em or curse 'em. Then, I try to put myself in thier shoes, and realize that I have no idea what that is like...
*Some of this is covered in SECTION 5 of the RR LTC.
> I bet that "$20 dollar" sermon had every ones undivided attention. I
> wouldn't call that flim flam...I would call it a good use of the
> resources at hand. I've seen some crazier things done in uth
> services...why?...to get the undivided attention of the uth so that the
> gospel can be presented.
Yup.. point well taken.
I'd guess you don't have a problem with "Christian Magic or Illiusionists"
"Vantriliquists" and ex-entertainers who used to play with Ozzie Ozborn.
I used to enjoy "testimony time" in Church when you heard the foul
vile things that many fellow christians *USED to do<G> At 12-13 it
put in my mind that I was missing some sport<G> ..and that thought
sent me down to the alter to confess and get saved for the 45th time. Same here, 'cept I went out and did it.
Stump Preachers in the old days were colorful.. *But you wern't
hostage "outdoors" like you can become in a nice white frame church
building. This "take all semons, and let God sort them out is dangerious
the-oler-gy" What's the difference between this theology and the old addage "Eat the hay and spit out the sticks?"
Doc
Personally, my $20 stays in my pocket. On
> judgement day God will sort all the "$20 sermons" and He will decide
> what is flim flam and what was divine inspiration. We're on the same
> team...our perspectives are just different.
>
> Mike Archer :)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Doc EagleDad
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 6:36 PM
> Subject: NEW QUESTION? [RR] *If I buy you lunch for $20..
>
>
>
> *I guess I'm "On it" with reguard to Flim Flam
> Con-Artists and the general use of the terms:
>
> "I don't care who you are or what you think"
>
> When I sit in a pew... it isn't for entertainment
> or to watch the magician do a trick. With reguard to
> stomping on a $20 bill.. *If that suits you then grab
> yur wallet and start jumping.. *It don't mean nothing
> to me. *But HELL will freeze, I said: they will be holding
> Olympic Ice Danceing in HELL before I'll walk up..
> submit to a con-artist and be sold a bill of goods.
>
> Someone, thinks the $20 bill is the same?
>
> You may not be able to detect my "upset".. BECAUSE IN A
> CHURCH SETTING UNLIKE RANGERNET.. *we construct the service
> so that it is NOT interactive..
>
> Given the ability to respond.. to INTERACT- say by a keyboard being
> right *there handy-*while the Man is stomping on the $20 bill in
> Church..you can be sure that I will be posting "upset"... and
> hitting control X!
>
> If the man offers you the $20.. run up there.
>
> I'd like to move on...
>
> Doc
>
> --- mrkcrcl12 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > All,
> >
> > I believe the devotion that is refered to states the fact that a $20
> > bill is worth $20 no matter what it looks like or how much it has
> been
> > defaced by circumstances, I've never turned down a crumpled $20 bill
> > when given as change and sure wouldn't pass one up if I saw it
> laying on
> > the street.
> > Just like our soul...God sees it as having the same value no matter
> what
> > has happened to us or how much we have rejected Him...He gave His
> life
> > to save our life.
> > The $20 was just a visual tool to get across a spiritual truth.
> >
> > Mike Archer :)
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Doc EagleDad
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 4:17 PM
> > Subject: [RR] *If I buy you lunch for $20..
> >
> >
> >
> > If I buy you lunch and pay $2o.. fair trade?
> >
> > What if i then throw it on the ground and step in it?
> >
> > *I didn't touch it.. is it still worth $20?
> >
> > I paid $20 for your lunch..
> >
> >
> >
> > Doc
> >
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