I still like the idea of a type of battle dress uniform. They have deep
pockets, lots of them, and are generally more comfortable than our present
khakis. I know, I wear BDU's all the time.

Iron Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff & Ellrena Ortner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 6:57 PM
Subject: [RR] Re: The dark pants uniform idea should be considered


>
>
>
>
> > Going with dark pants instead of khaki???
> > You got my vote too. This has been sent to the national staff many times
> and
> > rejected, but will be continued to be pressed. This is why we are now
> > looking into the Activities Patrols, such as Police, Air, revamp on the
> Sea
> > Rangers. They get to wear a "NEW TYPE" of class C uniform.  Your idea of
> > stains showing is true and does cause a problem among khaki pants. I too
> > believe that dark pants would be more appropriate. I also made a survey
> > about why those in uniforms wear dark pants. The police, highway dept.
and
> > park rangers, realize the importance of a  professional look. When you
> wear
> > khaki pants every time you go to the restroom, any water that falls,
> > splashes or tinkled on those pants is and has been embarrassing. I have
> > leaned over on the sink top and got a water stain quite often and it
looks
> > like I wet all over myself. Well this is part of the reason with
> authorities
> > do not wear Khakis. They get enough disrespect from people to not add
this
> > with it. Also sweating in the pants on hot humid days makes it look like
> > someone poured water down the front and middle rear. So I believe that
> dark
> > pants are a plus and look good too.
> >
> >     There is another area why I believe dark pants could be used, it is
in
> > the older boys (Expeditions).
> > We are having a hard time keeping the older boys staying with RR's, and
it
> > is also very rare of hearing that older boys joining RR's. Most older
boys
> > in the program grew up within it and are adjusted with khaki pants. But
> what
> > happens at a certain age within boys "teenagers" is 3 things we need to
> look
> > at. Those 3 things are, rejection of authority, rejection of kids stuff,
> and
> > women. The 1st and 3rd can be controlled moderately but number 2
rejection
> > of kids stuff is just a natural part of growing up.
> >     So what happens with these grown up boys they come to realize that:
> > "HEY, this little JR High kid brat is wearing the same uniform I am."
> They
> > begin to relate pioneers khaki clothing is for those little kids, and
they
> > hate little kids.  They don't want to talk, smell, think, act and
> especially
> > DRESS like them. So many leave the program thinking that it's not for
> them.
> >     I think that the older ones need a "special look" different from the
> > little ones,and this also causes pride for the older ones. This makes
the
> > pioneers wanting and  gives them a can't wait incentive concept until
they
> > are old enough to wear (that uniform.)
> >     Also we are wanting new boys to join and if a older boy walks into a
> > Outpost and sees little Pioneer Johnny playing in his khaki uniform. He
> > wouldn't be caught dead wearing such a kids outfit.
> >     I love my uniform and am very proud of it, but we must realize that
> > reaching the lost takes more than just one type of bait. There is other
> fish
> > to win for Jesus.
> >     Let me end with this, It is very similar to High School athletic
teams
> > such as football. My mind was made up I wanted to wear a football letter
> > jacket and sure was glad when I moved up to Varsity and got that
> prelivedge.
> > Then I walked around and showed it off to the little kids (brats) my new
> > coat that "THEY DON"T GET TO WEAR."   I loved it every bit.
> >
> > Again I am NOT putting down the uniform and love every bit of the
concepts
> > of awards, medals, recognitions. and will abide by its standards.  What
I
> am
> > saying here is I want more boys in UNIFORM and they love to be in it
too.
> > When we see that the older boys are important and that we can have a
> program
> > that is attractive to his needs and LOOKS. get ready we will explode
with
> > new recruits. Fish won't bite unless you got the right bait.
> >
> >
>
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