--- "Jose F. Rodriguez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear Charlie,
>
> After reading your message I was just wondering how do you feel
> about
> this issue (This was a post me and my brother put up on RangerNet the
> 17th
> and 19th of this month incase you missed it:
*Didn't miss it pard- *I been think'n on it.<G>
>
> Please read completely and carefully before you reply!
Right amigo.. I'll give it a brief look-see and
then fire away<G> *Here goes..
If Royal Rangers is ONLY a religious organization, Then
perhaps a LARGE cross worn in the style of "Crusaders"
is worthy..
*However- If Royal Rangers has a place in teaching CITIZENSHIP
then we are about a *balance of efforts to instruct a young man
in a wholeistic view of the world he lives.
A Royal Ranger named *Mitchel Silvers joined the US Marines right
from Royal Rangers before he was 18.. *policy was at the time his
membership would remain intact as a Royal Ranger during military
service. PFC Silvers was sent to Vietnam in Jan.1968 with Marine
3/1 and in a direct assult on a VC/NVA village was killed by small
arms.
It seemes PFC Silvers gave his life for *Freedom, from a duty
assigned by the President of the United States. Many might feel
it worthy to support such nobility, with wearing of the US Flag.
I dislike the
> usage of a national flag on the Royal Rangers uniform. The option of
> wearing
> a Christian flag in its place or with should be added. We should focus
> on
> what unites us and that would be Christ.
*Now many in Royal Rangers, have served both *Christ and *Country,
and begin each meeting with a "Pledge of Aliegence to the Flag"..
The US Flag represents FREEDOM to worship, and is placed in our
Church with respect.. *along with the Christian flag.
I see the issue you raise as being related to what *Pledge
you hold in "higher esteam".. What alligence do you profess to
your County and your God.
The Christian Flag *pledge has us pledge aliegence to the Savior
and his "Kingdom".. also One Brotherhood with service and Love.
*This to me seems Universal- International in scope
The pledge to the Flag of the USA-
"One Nation UNDER GOD" ...with Liberty and justice for all.
This to me seems that I have a duty to Country,Community and
the ethics of Freedom in a democratic society, with rule under
law.
A case was made about our flag
> saying that we should have it on our uniforms to show that we are
> members of
> the United States Royal Rangers.
True- US Royal Ranger have "unique policies seperate from the
universal application of the Ranger code, we discuss this with
frequency on Rangernet<G>"
This reasoning isn't valid because
> other
> countries already have their own national office, uniforms, policies,
> language, etc. There is no reason to further the obvious differences
> between our Royal Ranger programs.
I happen to agree with you.. One Program united in Gender Policy<G>
*But that is not the way it is..given a choice, I'd be a German or
Ozzie Royal Ranger. *My BIRTH however links me to loyality to the
USA.
When I put on my uniform I think of
> myself as a "soldier of God" which is why I again feel that we should
> wear
> the Christian flag, my loyalties are first to Christ.
Have you considered joining the Salvation Army?
To be a Royal Ranger, you must be first under 18...
Those over 18 are "Adult leaders of Royal Rangers"
So to truly be.. "A Soldier of God" requires a re-focused
mission statement than what Royal Rangers is today.. for
the *Mission is to Reach,Teach and Keep boys for Christ-
And no-where is this "Soldier of God" listed as a duty.
The Uniform has confused you, as it has others in thinking
RR is a "para-military" format. *It is not.
There will be a
> time
> when the nations will come agaisnt the people of God, so we first serve
> Christ not nations. What about the nations that are worldly and clearly
> against christians, should a christian place its flag on his uniform.
This is dangerious thinking in my mind.
We had better *support the USA that holds religious freedom in the same
hand as free speech or we may in fact be scurged from the earth, and
greater issues will rise as to what the role of a Christian will be.
> Remember I am not asking for the removal of the wearing of a national
> flag,
> but the option to wear a Christian flag. Let me put it this way, Where
> is
> the Christian flag on our uniform and why did a national flag come
> first? We
> are a christian ministry and the first thing that should appear on our
> uniform is something that lets the world clearly see this. God bless!
You obviously feel strongly, but I ask you to *push with all you have
for your agenda, but be clear you do not *NEED to win if your cause
is just. *Natural change will trickle down in time.
*Just for the sake of debate-
In my home we hang the NORWEGIEN FLAG, because it is the country
of origin for my wifes familyheritage. My cultural heritage is
British/Scot/German.. and in these cases I see that there are
Christian symbolisum in all.
The British flag has the "Cross of Saint George" and all
Scandinavian flags share the same cross as the fundimental
element of their national flag.
*That said- *Permission to wear a BIG CHRISTIAN FLAG on your uniform!
I wear Sr.Commander bars made from Elk horn<G>
My Uniform used to be a California Hyway Patrol uniform<G>
and under my khaki pants (*that don't cut it) I wear SCOUT SOCKS!
Doc
>
> I am going to bring this issue to my District Commander and I am
> considering
> doing a petition for those who would like to see a Christian Flag on the
> Royal Ranger uniform. Any advice, input, or concerns would be
> appreciated.
> God Bless!
>
> CMDR Jos� F. Rodr�guez
> Outpost 214, Potomac District
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charlie Wooster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 12:37 PM
> Subject: FYI-BSA Uniform information: [RR] patch regulations
>
>
> >
> > Free Insight-
> >
> > > > BSA has done this for years. You can buy all kinds of patches
> for
> > > > your uniform except one. The only way you can get the patch to
> make
> > > > your uniform complete is already on the shirt. It is the name tag
> > > > "BOY SCOUTS OF AMERICA". No one can make or produce that name
> tag.
> > > > It must be bought with the shirt. That way everyone looks the same
> in
> > > > the right khaki color.
> >
> > First Rangers-think about this..
> >
> > SCOUT shirts cost $29.00 US new each. *YIKES!
> > They are unique and made to BSA specifications.
> >
> > *If you outfit a Scout, the Uniform will come in @ $100+ US
> > Scout shirt- $29.00
> > Scout shorts- $39.00
> > Scout socks $7.00
> > Belt $20.00 (leather) $8.00 GI style
> > Scout 'Kerchief-$5.00
> > Council patch- $3.00
> > Troop numbers- $3.00
> > World Scouting Patch-$1.25
> > Hat- $20.00
> > Handbook $8.00
> > Plastic cover-$1.25
> >
> > *And wear your own boots<G>
> >
> > They wear like iron, and are made in the USA because
> > BSA desires to support American clothing industry.
> > However that means paying American wages to US workers.
> >
> > They do come with a strip attached, and a American flag.
> > "Blue Border?" But it isn't an "Issue" as it's Boy Scouts OF
> > AMERICA<G>
> >
> >
> > Doc
> >
> > GPH is going this route in time. So that
> > > > nothing can be bought outside of them. and all uniforms will look
> the
> > > > same across the board.
> > > > I don't think they can do that with the US Flag.
> > > > Advantage is just giving us a great deal and wanting your business
> > > > later on with campout patches. They gave me a color chart to
> compare
> > > > trim colors when GPH comes out. So I am waiting till then and will
> > > > mostly buy a bunch to save people in our area, and This Section a
> > > > dollar or more per patch. 50 cents is better than a $1 or more per
> > > > patch.
> > > > ---- Original Message ----
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: Re: [RR] patch regulations
> > > > Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:40:13 +0000
> > > >
> > > > >Fred asked, "What is R. R. regulation? 3 1/2 by 2 or 3 1/2 by
> > > > >2 1/4 inches?
> > > > >
> > > > >Well, do any of us know? I doubt it. I doubt anyone CAN know,
> since
> > > > >it's
> > > > >slated to be released this Fall.
> > > > >
> > > > >Can't you wait until it's in stone? What if you get
> white-bordered
> > > > >flags
> > > > >and GPH get's a deal on gold-bordered flags. Even when you hear
> what
> > > > >the
> > > > >official flag is gonna be, GPH can pull a fast one on us. It's
> > > > >happened
> > > > >before. Remember the less-than-perfect embroidered RR emblem
> shirts?
> > > > >
> > > > >Don't put the cart before the horse, count your chickens, etc.
> > > > >
> > > > >Gale "Sticks Himself" Collins
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