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From: "Brian Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "David Topper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Ranger Net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [RR] 79 - whole new can of worms
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 06:46:31 +0100
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Amen, amen amen.
-----Original Message-----
From: David Topper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Ranger Net <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 08 September 1999 03:02
Subject: [RR] 79 - whole new can of worms
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No offense to our precious brother Stuart but.......
=20
That opening statement kinda rubs me wrong and I don't think it =
should be ignored.
I believe it went something like this:
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"God's divine rule and authority in the church runs like this.
Father
Son=20
Holy Spirit
Pastor
Ministry Leadership"
=20
=20
I do recognize the authority and added responsibility of pastoral =
leadership but I believe we tend to give it more authority and =
responsibility than the Bible does.
=20
We do not need to go through a priest anymore we go directly to God =
and are responsible directly to God.
If our kids are not raised knowing the gospel it's not the =
children's pastors falt.
If our spouse is not being ministered to it's not the falt of WMs.
If we are not involved in the ministry that God has called us to we =
will answer directly to God.=20
Your Pastor or your "Ministry Leadership" have no authority or =
responsibility for you or your family. They are responsible for their =
family and their ministry but only you will answer to God for you and =
yours.
=20
This may seem elementary but you may be surprised how many times we =
avoid our responsibilities by using this military chain of command =
leadership model.=20
=20
Maybe you think I'm overreacting to what seems like a small point =
but I believe many Protestant churches have elevated the pastor to a =
level close to the catholic priesthood. No one moves without getting the =
pastors opinion or blessing. Pastors, lay pastors and pastoral staff =
taste this highly addictive authority and get used to so it's rarely =
discouraged.
=20
(Did someone say "shepherding")
=20
=20
Whew.....glad to get that off my chest.
=20
David Topper
Vancouver, WA
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BTW Years in RR 7 as a boy 5 as adult.
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> Amen, amen amen.
> -----Original = Message-----
> From:=20 David Topper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:=20 Ranger Net <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date:=20 08 September 1999 03:02
> Subject: [RR] 79 - whole new = can of=20 worms
>
> No offense to our precious = brother Stuart=20 but.......
>
> That opening statement kinda = rubs me wrong=20 and I don't think it should
> be ignored.
> I believe = it went=20 something like this:
>
> "God's divine rule and authority in the church runs like=20 this.
> Father
> Son
> Holy Spirit
> Pastor
> Ministry=20 Leadership"
>
>
> I do recognize the authority and = added=20 responsibility of pastoral
> leadership but I believe we tend to give = it more=20 authority and
> responsibility than the Bible does.
>
> We do not need to go through a priest anymore we = go=20 directly to God and
> are responsible directly to God.
> If our kids are not raised knowing the gospel = it's not the=20 children's
> pastors falt.
> If our spouse is not being ministered to it's = not the falt=20 of WMs.
> If we are not involved in the ministry that God = has called=20 us to we will
> answer directly to God.
> Your Pastor or your "Ministry = Leadership" have=20 no authority or
> responsibility for you or your family. They are = responsible=20 for their
> family and their ministry but only you will answer = to God=20 for you and
> yours.
>
> This may seem elementary but you may be = surprised how many=20 times we
> avoid our responsibilities by using this = military=20 chain of command
> leadership model. =
>
> Maybe you think I'm overreacting to what seems = like a=20 small point but I
> believe many Protestant churches have elevated the = pastor=20 to a level
> close to the catholic priesthood. No one moves without = getting=20 the
> pastors opinion or blessing. Pastors, lay = pastors=20 and pastoral staff
> taste this highly addictive authority and get = used to so=20 it's rarely
> discouraged.
>
> (Did someone say = "shepherding")
>
>
> Whew.....glad to get = that off my=20 chest.
>
> David Topper
> Vancouver, WA
>
>
> BTW Years in RR 7 as a boy 5 as = adult.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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