*Brother MPJ-
When matters of import, like "pastoral authority" arise...
I am out classed, and admitidly ignorant of full
biblical reasoning.
To assume that I made an "off the cuff" remark is
correct, and tho I don't fully understand or perhaps
aggree in my *head... I do so want my heart to be right
with the Lord.
*Please advise me if an appoligy is needed to anyone,
and guide me to understand the gulf between where i am,
and where I should be... I do see a 'distance.
I might find the only fully "moral" position to be-
"Natrual conception to natural death and concious objection to
armed war and capital punishment"
*Obviously, I've broke that code with my flesh,mind and hands
and have shaky claim such moral high ground<G> ....meaning
I've war'd and don't intend to pawn my gun locker<G> I might
even be too liberal for the fellowship ..as every time
GW speaks I cringe<G> Like I've hinted, my vote for Bush
was based on good faith with Sen.John McCain.
He ain't pro-choice is he?
Thanks-
-=A=-
Soaring Golden Eagle wrote:
>
> At 02:57 PM 1/2/01 -0800, Duane Wheeler wrote:
> >*I respectfully disagree and stand by my opinion, that when such
> >"words" are spoken in church it is not a mandate from God, but
> >from "Man" and is something to 'think about and hold over to the side,
> >like 88 reasons that Christ will return in 1988.....
>
> I guess I see a big difference between something off-the-wall like trying to guess
>the exact moment of Christ's return and an assertion that we need to pursue
>righteousness with our votes as well as our other words and actions.
>
> Yes, by all means, do test whatever a man says against the Holy Bible. I still say
>that you should not be quick to judge a man anointed by God. I'm not saying that
>everyone anointed by God is perfect, but it is still a serious thing to accuse a man
>of God of spouting false doctrine -- something not to be done lightly.
>
> >"Commanding people to repent..". for a political vote over one subject is
> >narrow minded, and short sighted.
>
> So you say. The particular subject at hand, however, is a serious matter of life and
>death and an important moral issue that, at least to my way of thinking, overshadows
>pretty much any other difference between the candidates in question.
>
> > Many people would never vote Republican
> >if their life depended on it and maintain a strong Christian testimony.
>
> Yes, and there are also times when I, an active Republican, refused to vote for a
>certain Republican candidate because of that person's unacceptable moral position.
>This isn't about partisan politics. It is about morality.
>
> > I
> >voted reluctently for GW Bush, but do not feel absoved for my vote
> >as I support abortion as an *option in the case of incest and rape...AS
> >DO MANY! *Includeing GW Bush.
>
> I commend you for your vote for G. W. Bush. Here I disagree with you on abortion
>exceptions, although rape and incest cases are really a very small fraction of the
>abortions that actually occur. The vast majority of them are for the false gods of
>convenience, career, economics, etc., and have nothing to do with rape, incest, or
>any credible threat to the life of the mother.
>
> >*Think about the comment that the "blood" is on your hands..*What Folly!
>
> Is it? If you, by some conscious voluntary action of yours, assist someone in
>committing murder, then how could you consider yourself free of blood guilt? Wouldn't
>this same principle apply to voting for a promoter of abortions on demand instead of
>a pro-life Christian, all other considerations being either substantially equal or of
>much lesser moral consequence?
>
> >It's false doctrine to assume Americans are moraly responsible for the
> >death of 2 million North Vietnamise by supporting the policy's of
> >the Johnson/Nixon administration.
>
> Is it? I would think that it depended on the intentions of the hearts of each
>individual involved, just as it would in the case of the votes for the abortion
>promoter vs. the pro-life Christian.
>
> Duane, you know I love you. Your response puzzles me, though. Although I have seen
>many political contests that seemed to me pretty morally neutral, sometimes the
>choices are so different that I really do think that it would be wrong to vote for a
>particular issue or candidate, or even to fail to vote for a particular issue or
>candidate.
>
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