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Thanks much for the great info Commander
Harris. In the string of information throughout
this thread, I’ve come to the conclusion that communication from the
National Office on this subject was severely lacking when these actions were
taken during the National Council. Obviously this is a problem of the past,
and the past “administration” at that, but still a problem. I would certainly disagree that there is
no place for a program that KEEPS boys in Rangers just because they turn 18 and
go off to college, but if Men’s Ministries did the job they are be doing
in support of Rangers, the problem wouldn’t exist. I’m sure the intentions by the team
were right in their formation of the process back in the 70’s. I would also tend to agree that the
D&D problem could be a certain detractor to any involvement in things that
give the appearance of evil, as we are to shy away from such practice according
to Rev. Paul in 2 Thes. It all makes perfect sense to me, and I
appreciate the input from all concerned. Though the history lesson below is most certainly
accurate, the generalities of the period that I mentioned are portrayed in all
forms of media that surround us… thus lending a negative note that causes
us to want to stay away from the very appearance of evil… especially in
light of the D&D, Pokemon, Digimon
and “Magic” epidemic across the nation and the world in these
times. Wizards, Magic, Dragons and other such
stories have become such ‘fact’ for the period, though only legend, the period is left with a stigma of impropriety in
the Christian community…. As is the cause of Civil War period as you have
mentioned. Surely the Civil War still wages, all-be-it
not in the Frontiersmen of the 1800’s were not
all raping pillagers as you mention.
There were, as in any time period, the good and the bad. Unfortunately, the bad often get bigger
headlines… just as in the Crusades… yes, it’s stereotyping in
a form…. But when folks think of frontiersmen, do they think of rape and
pillage, or buckskin and Daniel Boone?
When folks think of the middle ages, I suspect they think of Knights,
Dragons, King Arthur and Merlin…. Not an image I prefer my kids to
correlate with Rangers. Just my own opinion. Again, thanks all! Parson. -----Original Message----- The main reason that CORR became
unsupported is that Ken Hunt decided to place CORR in the strictest definition
of Royal Rangers, thus stating that is not a boy's program there for had no
place in Royal Rangers. It was from this point that the National Office began
down a different road leaving CORR to exist in the Charter only and soon the
Shires felt the pressure (and discouragement), finally ceasing to exist. My
guess is that in 1999 the Executive Offices decided to "clean up" the
Charter, eliminating baggage aka. Chi Omega Rho since it was inactive. The theme has drawn criticism but
mostly from the unlearned. Knighthood in the Middle Ages was the standing
philosophy of merging Christianity with personal action and responsibility
(something that we do today...or at least we should). It was during the Middle
Ages that the great cathedrals of Europe were built and Christianity was
practiced throughout. There were few who were actually given the
'decision' to convert or die. Christianity was so wide spread that this
practice truely cannot be credited till the 16th, 17th and 18th centuries
when Europeans began to explore outside of their own continent. In the
Middle Ages, you were an infidel or Christian (not much different here today
either). The only dark blot on knighthood as a whole were the Crusades,
but even still we have the luxury of sitting in our easy chairs, well-read
theologically and judge the motives and reasons for the individuals
involved. I would not do or condone what the Crusaders did but judging their
motives outside the context of their time period is the same same reason that
the American Civil War is still being fought today (and you thought it was
over...). The occult that Mr. Burn's
mentioned could not be practiced in the Middle Ages because the practice
of such was penalized by death. It wasn't until the Renaissance that such
practices were becoming more wide spread but still only behind closed
doors, still carrying the same penaties. The
modern "reenactment" Mr. Burn's mentions is cause for alarm
since these people do not portray the medieval knight but instead a modern-day,
politically-correct, pagan version. You cannot claim to be portraying
the medieval knight when you cut out Christ from the picture. Sad to say, there is no information
about CORR anywhere except what is in the hands of old CORR members (300+) and
what is at the National Office gathering dust. Sorry Edward the Humbled.... And by the way, I didn't mention
anything about "glorified pastors". Themes have to weighed in for proper
usage. If I were to mention so-called Christians who took over land,
converted the heathen at gun or knife point, raped and pillaged innocent people
as they saw fit, started wars in "the name of God", co-habited with
different women and then mentioned that all these things were done by the
AMERICAN FRONTIERSMAN, how should we view FCF? Should we get rid of FCF,
according to some, yes, but that is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
We take these things and create good from the evil, as was originally intended.
I still remember the days when Dallas Holmes was looked down upon by the
'Christian' community because his music was "too modern" and
"too worldly sounding". A medieval knight was raised to
be obediant, unselfish, protect the innocent and the church. To die giving his
life for another. The typical American frontiersman was self centered,
selfish, turned away from society and its 'rules' (mosty based on Biblical
principles) to be 'independent' (an island?...). It would be easy to go on
but I'll save it. I think the point's been made. Arch-Duke Stalwart the Tired and
ready to go take a Nap... |
- [RR] A Theme is a theme by any other name.... Michael D Harris
- Andy Burns
