Thanks Sander for detailed notes. They are really helpful. You are wonderful.
Raminder On Nov 12, 2011, at 11:08 PM, Sander van der Waal wrote: > Please find below my scribbles from the Rave meet-up at ApacheCon this > week. Thanks everyone for a very fruitful meeting and I look forward to > following things up. > > BTW, I can very well have missed out on some stuff or perhaps even > misinterpreted what's been said - just let me know! > > Rave Meetup – 9 November 2011, ApacheCon Vancouver > > 1. Road to graduation. > > Rave already has a diverse community, could graduate soon; however: > - We need to prove that we can embed new people in the project > - Once we have proven that we can accomodate new stakeholders it will be > a viable project for graduation. > > 2. Related projects > > Glad to have had two people present from the new Sakai project > > Sakai CLE (v2) - Traditional Course Management System > Sakai OAE (v3) - Different role with learning proces > - Emphasis on creating and sharing content > - Nearly all readers also writers of content > - NYU & Berkeley have it currently in pilot > - Flowing content, pulling in widgets and functionality from an OBR (OSGi) > - No choice for social standard, could be OpenSocial > - Widgets custom built, no particular standard used (although very > similar to OpenSocial) > Rave is also pulling in widgets and gadgets, not locked-down > > Sakai is governed by a big committee of committees. On the other hand, > Rave already has a large involvement from academic sector so is used to > working with the academic sector and has proven that it possible. > We think Rave is ready. > > Sakai developer Nicolaas Matthijs at CARET, working with John Norman > Ross to set up a meeting with them and OSS Watch > > OMELETTE project > http://www.ict-omelette.eu/home > - No one present could really comment on this EU project. > - We'd love to hear more from Scott Wilson who indicated before the > meeting that people of the OMELETTE project "were really into > the idea of using Rave and Wookie as their basic platform and having > more partners make contributions back in areas like inter-widget > communications (with the folks from ROLE we met at apache hackathon in > Amsterdam), import/export and sharing of 'workspaces' (pages), page > lifecycle management, implementing WebID sign on, and lots of other > things." > > Bamboo project > http://www.projectbamboo.org/ > - Consortium of 20 odd univeristies, mostly US-based, Mellon-funded > - Building applications and shared infrastructure for humanities research. > - Team in Oxford currently basing their portal on COIN from SURF-net > - Working to build their project on SURF code that is not really > maintained by SURF maintained, as SURF will move to Rave (Q2 2012?) > - Sander (OSS Watch) working with the team in Oxford to see how we can > help them to migrate to Rave, eg. what are the most important features > they'd need in? > > ROLE project > http://sourceforge.net/projects/role-project/ > - Using the Rave frontend with their own widget-based backend > - EU project started three year ago > - Video shown http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzAZNaLrZcU > - XMPP used for interwidget communication > - Jasha going to a workshop of theirs > - What can we commit to make them commitment to get the code over > manageable? > - What is missing in Rave? > - What's the barrier to submitting code? > - Project is BSD & Apache licensed. > - More importantly, who are the people involved? > - Project member Jevgeni already active on the lists (eg. Shindig) to > submit patches > - It's considered good for EU projects to get code into existing projects > - People tend to follow their code > - OSS Watch will engage via Open University & Leicester Unviersity > > Wookie > - Scott wants inter-widget communication into Wookie > - That won't necesarily help Rave project > > 3. Home for gadgets / widgets and templating > - Rave in Context templates > - Generic template code currently in Wookie > - Gadgets and widgets will be built, a few critical should be owned by Rave > - But having a catalogue that we could wire into would be great > - Number of catalogues exist, Scott talking to have them open-source these > > - OBR used in Sakai, specifically to OSGi but the concept is similar > - Should look at how Maven solved a similar problem > > - Mitre built a federated widget marketplace specifically for gov > - Can for example connect to other widget stores > - Model to have Rave define an API of how to > > Use cases: > - User wants to connect to a widget > - You can add them by adding them to the store - where from? > - Once chosen, leverage by adding them to your page > > Ross to create a project 'Rave extras' project on Apache extras > - 'Rave extras' to deposit widgets / gadgets code on a seperate project site > - Rave demo gadgets can be moved over > - Let's also define what that catalogue would look like and put into apache > extras > - Leverage the possbility for people to build widgets/gadgets and have a > place to host them > - Extras site will be less restricted, eg. encourage other projects like > Sakai and Callback (fka Phonegap) to use it. > - First focus on creating widgets / gadgets, less focussed on hosting them > > Current solution in Sakai: > - UI for attaching to existing widgets > - Possible to install additional functionality through an OBR, using the > MANIFEST to define additional resources > > Rave in context templates > http://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/rave-in-context/ > - For example to search and browse lists using jQuery mobile > - Use templates as wiring to generate the build for creating > the widget > - Seen as first step to create more elaborate tooling > - Project itself is short and nearly finishe > - Need to allow people to easily create new gadgets / widgets > - Separate need to customise them > - EU project WIDGaT allows you to customise areas of the widgets, > specifically for people with disabilities http://arc.tees.ac.uk/WIDGAT/ > http://www.jisc.ac.uk/whatwedo/programmes/elearning/ltig/widgat.aspx > - Gadgets have a preference store that help you tweak it > The need was felt that a separate home would be the best place, but no > decision was made. > > 4. ODF/OOo gadgets > - Not to be pushed by us > - If Don or others interested we'll welcome them > > > Sander
