Adrian: That's what I'm thinking some kind of "system" user without a name. Nope, database is not accessed by any other program (client is very small, simple, very non-tech). This is the only trigger in the database. Deletions are contiguous. Looking at the time of deletion, they all follow each other a second apart, every single one. So a batch is being deleted at once. Then we won't see anything for months. This has happened 3 times that we know of during the past year
Karen -----Original Message----- From: Adrian Huessy <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, Mar 12, 2022 2:52 pm Subject: RE: [RBASE-L] - Delete Trigger mystery? <!--#yiv0952172670 _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {}#yiv0952172670 #yiv0952172670 p.yiv0952172670MsoNormal, #yiv0952172670 li.yiv0952172670MsoNormal, #yiv0952172670 div.yiv0952172670MsoNormal {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman", "serif";}#yiv0952172670 a:link, #yiv0952172670 span.yiv0952172670MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv0952172670 a:visited, #yiv0952172670 span.yiv0952172670MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv0952172670 p {margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman", "serif";}#yiv0952172670 p.yiv0952172670msonormal, #yiv0952172670 li.yiv0952172670msonormal, #yiv0952172670 div.yiv0952172670msonormal {margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman", "serif";}#yiv0952172670 p.yiv0952172670msochpdefault, #yiv0952172670 li.yiv0952172670msochpdefault, #yiv0952172670 div.yiv0952172670msochpdefault {margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman", "serif";}#yiv0952172670 span.yiv0952172670msohyperlink {}#yiv0952172670 span.yiv0952172670msohyperlinkfollowed {}#yiv0952172670 span.yiv0952172670e-mailformatvorlage18 {}#yiv0952172670 p.yiv0952172670msonormal1, #yiv0952172670 li.yiv0952172670msonormal1, #yiv0952172670 div.yiv0952172670msonormal1 {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman", "serif";}#yiv0952172670 span.yiv0952172670msohyperlink1 {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv0952172670 span.yiv0952172670msohyperlinkfollowed1 {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv0952172670 span.yiv0952172670e-mailformatvorlage181 {font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;}#yiv0952172670 p.yiv0952172670msochpdefault1, #yiv0952172670 li.yiv0952172670msochpdefault1, #yiv0952172670 div.yiv0952172670msochpdefault1 {margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";}#yiv0952172670 span.yiv0952172670E-MailFormatvorlage28 {font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;}#yiv0952172670 .yiv0952172670MsoChpDefault {font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";} _filtered {}#yiv0952172670 div.yiv0952172670WordSection1 {}-->Karen,Brainstorming without knowing your application and database: Missing user and computer name could indicate system user. Access via ODBC/Oterro, other trigger? The way of deletion may give a hint: are the deletions contiguous or scattered during the day?AdrianVon: 'Karen Tellef' via RBASE-L [mailto:[email protected]] Gesendet: Samstag, 12. März 2022 20:45 An: [email protected] Betreff: Re: [RBASE-L] - Delete Trigger mystery? Adrian: I am assuming they were actually deleted. Since the trigger is "before delete" and operates as it should other than giving me that null DeletedBy, and I can't find them anywhere in the original table, I have to think they were deleted. If there was an issue with indexes or a database problem itself, I would think it would show up on an Autochk. This database has never had a bad Autochk. Karen -----Original Message----- From: Adrian Huessy <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, Mar 12, 2022 11:14 am Subject: RE: [RBASE-L] - Delete Trigger mystery?Karen,Quick question: do you feel that records are/were effectively deleted or do you have NULL entries even though nothing was deleted?BR, Adrian Von: 'Karen Tellef' via RBASE-L [mailto:[email protected]] Gesendet: Samstag, 12. März 2022 01:02 An: [email protected] Betreff: [RBASE-L] - Delete Trigger mystery? Why I needed the before-delete trigger: no one should ever be deleting data from this table. And although they have the full version of RBase, no one knows how to "get to the R> prompt". There is a monthend routine that the senior user runs that will delete a batch of data, but that's all (we remove the trigger before this monthend routine, then put it back on) Yet every now and then we find data mysteriously disappeared. So I created a before-delete trigger. It takes the record to be deleted and appends it to an archive table. 3 columns in the archive table will hold the deleted date / time and the user who deleted it. Works perfectly at my development environment and when I test it at the place where the database is installed. Records the date, time and the user. However, twice now we have found records in that archive table that had been deleted (hundreds at a time). The records had the deleted date/time but had NO user name. Here's the code I use in my stored procedure. The DeletedDate and DeletedTime works fine, it gets updated every time. There is no login to this app, so I grab the NetUser (used many times in the application for other things, successfully). The first time that the archive had no user name, I modified the stored procedure to grab the ComputerName. But still, nothing..... SET VAR vText TEXT = NULL SET VAR vText = (CVAL("NetUser")) IF vText IS NULL THEN SET VAR vText = (CVAL("ComputerName")) ENDIF UPDATE ClaimsDeleted SET DeletedDate = .#DATE, DeletedTime = .#TIME, + DeletedBy = .vText WHERE claim = .spClaim Can anyone think of anything else I can trap that would help me figure out how/when the records got deleted? Or does anyone know how records could get deleted when there actually is no NetUser or ComputerName? Karen -- For group guidelines, visit http://www.rbase.com/support/usersgroup_guidelines.php --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBASE-L" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. 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