Backup, backup and backup some more.

Then backup again just to be sure.

One day you'll be glad - might not be for note fields/tables but someone
will do something really stupid that you could never believe is possible and
you'll then be glad. I know, I've the medal for repeated idiot syndrome!!

Regards,
Alastair.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "J. Stephen Wills" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "RBASE-L Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 10:02 PM
Subject: [RBASE-L] - Re: Note Fields - Razzak's Reply


> I would concur that it is tedious and sometimes frustrating, but if the
data
> is perceived as valuable and there is no other recovery option, then it
> might be worth it to try, even if the only good ultimate outcome is
> demonstration of effort that goes "above and beyond the call" ...
>
> Steve in Memphis
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Albert Berry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "RBASE-L Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 3:51 PM
> Subject: [RBASE-L] - Re: Note Fields - Razzak's Reply
>
>
> > 1. Actually, every table needs the pointers. A note entry may be
> sandwiched between an entry from a second table and another entry for yet
a
> third table. The indexes feed the system the pointer value of the row, so
if
> the pointer is broken, the data cannot be found, indexed or not.
> >
> > 2. Autochk will identify broken pointers in each and every table
> >
> > 3. RScope cannot _automatically_ fix broken pointers in a table with
> variable length rows. It is possible to fix them manually, but I would not
> want to. This is the ultimate in tedium and frustration.
> >
> > "Fogelson, Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >Thanks again for the responses.
> > >
> > >After reading Razzak's articles, I have come to the conclusion that by
> > >designing the DB structure with Note tables for each table that need
note
> > >fields:
> > >
> > >1) That the "Note table" doesn't really need previous and next pointers
> > >(even though it normally does have them) as this table is only
referenced
> by
> > >the primary key from the parent table.
> > >
> > >2) We would probably not even notice that there was a broken pointer in
a
> > >"Note table". Would Autochk pick this up?
> > >
> > >I still am not sure if R:Scope would fix a broken pointer in a "Note
> Table".
> > >
> > >Thanks
> > >
> > >Steve
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: A. Razzak Memon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 1:54 PM
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: [RBASE-L] - Re: Note Fields - Razzak's Reply
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >At 11:09 AM 9/17/2003 -0500, Steve Fogelson wrote:
> > >
> > >>A while back I had asked about Text vs. Note fields.
> > >>
> > >>A few responses indicated that they keep all "note"s in a separate
> table.
> > >>Evidently problems with broken pointers.
> > >>
> > >>I assume you design your DBs with a table for ALL notes. And all the
> other
> > >>tables contain Note_ID fields where appropriate, that point to that
note
> in
> > >>the note table. Then use a view to read a row including the note.
> > >>
> > >>Are these assumptions correct?
> > >>
> > >>Could someone elaborate on this design and problems with broken
> pointers.
> > >>How is this design strategy easier to fix broken pointers?
> > >
> > >
> > >Steve,
> > >
> > >Take a look at the following two articles:
> > >
> > > From The Edge: http://www.razzak.com/fte
> > >
> > >Understanding and Using VARCHAR Data Type (07/18/2002)
> > >
> > >Finding and Fixing Broken Indexes (04/30/2002)
> > >
> > >Hope that helps!
> > >
> > >Very Best R:egards,
> > >
> > >Razzak.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > -- 
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> >
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