I think a step was missed here.  Using terminal services or Citrix allows
the user to run as a session on a server, so there is no data being
transferred from server to client, just along the server bus.  

You can run terminal services thru windows, usually Remote Desktop
Connection, or a third party product like Citrix.  Either was the RB program
runs on a server not a desktop.  

The 'classic' way to run Rbase is as on a PC with a file server drive
holding the data, so the bottleneck is getting the data from the server
drive, thru the network to the desktop for processing.

The terminal services way uses a server to run effectively multi user
sessions, each user logs into a virtual machine on the server and runs the
application on the server.  The data and programs only have to travel from
the server drive to the session, or if you choose from the terminal services
server to the file server on a big fat pipe.  You can set it up whichever
way makes sense in your environment.

When I need to do a reload I log onto the server with a Remote Desktop
Session, and run Rbase on the server.  The reload on a 2GB database takes
only 10 minutes, a fraction of the time if I ran it on a workstation. No
data going over the network, so its FAST.





Mark Lindner
Lindner & Associates PC
254 Second Ave
Needham  MA   02494
781 247 1100   Fax  781 247 1143


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Emmitt Dove
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 4:10 PM
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Subject: [RBASE-L] - RE: terminal services?


The concept is to make the pipeline between the TS and the FS as big as
possible, thereby minimizing the bottleneck effect.

We can have fast processors, fast disks, lots of memory, but ultimately
something has to be the bottleneck, and in most situations this is probably
the network.  Hard disk I/O is a heck of a lot faster than 100mbps can
pipeline, especially when you're competing with others for the bandwidth.  A
typical user's machine isn't going to have a 1-gig connection running full
duplex.  To make all users 1-gig at full duplex would be costly.  But in a
server environment such as I describe you can spend a few bucks and everyone
benefits.

Once you decide to go this route, the next biggie is making certain that
your TS platform is fat on memory and fleet afoot.  Having said that, in our
plants we run multiple terminal servers with Citrix on one Dell ESX machine
running VMWare.  Turns out the virtual terminal servers are quite capable.

Emmitt Dove
Manager, DairyPak Business Systems
Evergreen Packaging, Inc.
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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeffrey M.
Watson
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 3:55 PM
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can I do that by bridging the two connections togethor? That might help
alone :-) Thanks Emmitt.

Jeff Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tube Methods, Inc.
610-279-7700

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Emmitt Dove
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 3:24 PM
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Jeff,

We use Citrix on top of TS.  You could probably do the same without Citrix,
but I believe it to be less robust / manageable.

The key for us in speed boost is that both the terminal servers and the file
server have dual, teamed 1gb NICs connected to a gigabit Cisco switch. By
running the adapters full duplex and teamed, we can approach 4gb throughput.

Emmitt Dove
Manager, DairyPak Business Systems
Evergreen Packaging, Inc.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(203) 643-8022

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeffrey M.
Watson
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 1:41 PM
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Subject: [RBASE-L] - terminal services?

I remember somewhere along the line someone said they had everyone running
rbase through terminal services and experienced great gains in lickity
speed, etc. Does anyone know/recall how you would implement this? Thanks :-D

Jeff Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tube Methods, Inc.
610-279-7700


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