Mike,

Just an off-the-wall thought: you haven't got a HIDE command somewhere in
your code, have you?

I know that it really caught me out when I tried it! W98 (in my case) seems
to have no visible idea that R:Base is running if you close whatever screen
is visible without opening another one.

Regards, Alastair.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ramsour Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 7:44 PM
Subject: RE: Windows 2000 error


> One thing I haven't checked yet was whether R:Base may have actually still
> been running.  I'm under the assumption that the program terminated
entirely
> but if this happens again I will check the Task Manager to verify whether
or
> not R:Base is still running.
>
> Thanks -- Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bernie Corrigan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 1:30 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Windows 2000 error
>
>
>
>
>
>
> RBW 1.851 under W2K Pro: Yesterday after minimizing RBW I had it disappear
> from the task bar.  I thought I had inadvertantly closed the RBW window so
I
> opened another session.  About half an hour later the first session
> reappeared on the task bar.  I have no idea what caused this to happen.
>
>
> At 09:59 AM 4/2/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> >While we're on the subject of Windows 2000/R:Base issues, there is one
> other
> >situation I don't have an explanation for.  On at least two occasions
> >recently (including this morning) R:Base will be setting idle and it just
> >disappears -- no warnings or anything just an unceremonious shutdown.  It
> >just goes bye-bye.  Poof!  Weird huh?  This happened before and I thought
I
> >may have inadvertently shut it down but I now find that is not the case.
> >R:Base starts back up just fine with no database corruption, thank
> goodness.
> >
> >Anyone else ever had this happen?  The only programs running at the time
> >besides R:Base were Outlook 98, an inactive MSN, and Norton Antivirus
> >Corporate Edition.
> >
> >Any thoughts or insights?
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >Mike Ramsour
> >
> >p.s.  Looking forward to seeing a lot of you at the Conference.  My boss
> >came up with the money to let me go, which is pretty amazing considering
> how
> >tight things are where I work.  Yippee!!  See you real soon.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Sami Aaron [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 9:25 AM
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: Windows 2000 error
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Alastair -
> >
> >I would imagine that things are pretty hoppin' at RBTI at the moment -
I'll
> >put a bug in Razzak's ear to do us a full-fledged explanation on BLOBs
and
> >forms & report storage after the conference!
> >
> >Sami
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Alastair Burr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 4:33 PM
> >Subject: Re: Windows 2000 error
> >
> >
> >> Thanks, Sami,
> >>
> >> Anybody at RBTI like to jump in - I'm sure that this is an area where
we
> >> could all learn something!!
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance,
> >> Regards, Alastair.
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Sami Aaron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 8:59 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Windows 2000 error
> >>
> >>
> >> > Alastair -
> >> >
> >> > I don't know of any way to check a form or report for errors in the
> >> Windows
> >> > version - in fact, I don't know much at all about the BLOB data -
this
> >> would
> >> > be a good time for someone at RBTI to jump in with a better
> >explanation!!!
> >> >
> >> > I do know you _can_ still do some things with forms and reports that
at
> >> one
> >> > time I thought you _couldn't_ do, like:
> >> >
> >> > If you want to find which forms use the EEP "Button.eep" you could:
> >> >
> >> > SELECT * FROM SYS_FORMS2 WHERE #4 CONTAINS 'BUTTON.EEP'
> >> >
> >> > but that's just a teaser for my presentation on "Understanding System
> >> > Tables" at the Developers' Conference<g>...
> >> >
> >> > Sami
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Alastair Burr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 12:23 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: Windows 2000 error
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > Sami,
> >> > >
> >> > > I'm sure that you are right as to the reasons for crashes being
> >> corruption
> >> > > and/or code error but I do think that the Windows version is much
> more
> >> > prone
> >> > > to crashes than the older Dos ones. Presumably this is simply
because
> >it
> >> > is
> >> > > much less forgiving of mistakes than it was before - fair enough.
> >> > >
> >> > > One area where I find it much more difficult check for corruption
and
> >> > errors
> >> > > in the db now in Forms and Reports as they are stored differently
> than
> >> > > before. In the past it was possible in Dos to look at the data for
> >these
> >> > > sys_tables and sometimes see if they were corrupted. Now there
> appears
> >> to
> >> > me
> >> > > to be no way to know if a form or report is apparently working
> >properly
> >> > but
> >> > > causing some problem due to hidden corruption.
> >> > >
> >> > > Do you know what happens to the blob data when a db is reloaded?
Does
> >it
> >> > get
> >> > > written out in the same way as the "text" data does where an error
> >often
> >> > is
> >> > > obvious? Is there some way to check forms and reports for
integrity?
> >> > >
> >> > > Thanks & regards,
> >> > > Alastair.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > From: "Sami Aaron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > > Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 6:27 PM
> >> > > Subject: Re: Windows 2000 error
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > > Mike -
> >> > > >
> >> > > > In my experience, 99% of the time a fatal error is caused by
either
> >a
> >> > > > corrupt database or an error in my program.   I would do these
> >things:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > 1.  reload the database
> >> > > > 2.  run R:Style on the command file
> >> > > > 3.  clear all variables, then trace your script file thru from
the
> >> very
> >> > > > beginning, one command at a time, with messages and error
messages
> >> > turned
> >> > > > on.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > The other 1% of the time has been a bug and/or code change in
> R:BASE
> >> > from
> >> > > an
> >> > > > earlier version to the current version.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > If you still have problems, post your command file here.
> >> > > > -----------------------------------------------------------
> >> > > > Sami Aaron
> >> > > > Software Management Specialists
> >> > > > 19312 W 63rd Terr
> >> > > > Shawnee KS  66218
> >> > > > 913-915-1971
> >> > > > http://www.softwaremgmt.com
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > > From: "Ramsour Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > > > Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 8:52 AM
> >> > > > Subject: Windows 2000 error
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > I am getting frequent crashes in R:Base (latest version)
running
> >> under
> >> > > > > Windows 2000.  The error I get is:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > The instruction at 0x00745x07 referenced memory at 0x1263410c.
> >The
> >> > > memory
> >> > > > > could not be "read".
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > I have done some research on this and find references to
similar
> >> error
> >> > > > > messages related to buffer problems with Win2K that were
> >supposedly
> >> > > > resolved
> >> > > > > with the latest service packs.  I am running Win2k with service
> >pack
> >> 2
> >> > > on
> >> > > > a
> >> > > > > HP Kayak with dual 550 mHz processors and 256 mb of RAM.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > There are:
> >> > > > > BUFFERS = 60
> >> > > > > FILES =60
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > environment variables set and I run with some of the Microrim
> >memory
> >> > > > > variables set that were suggested on the list some time ago.  I
> >> cannot
> >> > > > > pinpoint this problem to any particular event other than it
> >usually
> >> > > occurs
> >> > > > > while running an R:Base script that I have written.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions as to what I should look for
or
> >how
> >> I
> >> > > can
> >> > > > > resolve this problem?  Is this a Windows 2000 issue, an R:Base
> >issue
> >> > or
> >> > > a
> >> > > > > user/programmer issue?  Any help is immensely appreciated.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Thanks
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Mike Ramsour
> >> > > > > AK Steel
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Voice:  740-829-4340
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