New topic: Time to throw up now.
<http://forums.realsoftware.com/viewtopic.php?t=45828> Page 1 of 1 [ 6 posts ] Previous topic | Next topic Author Message J.Sh3ppard Post subject: Time to throw up now.Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 1:07 am Joined: Tue Mar 23, 2010 8:44 pm Posts: 484 I'm very disappointed in the American public re-electing Obama. The last 4 years were pretty bad. With so many people out of jobs, so many businesses leaving the US due to these policies, his planned tax increases, Obamanation care putting the hurt on small businesses, the way he increases the deficit (+ 5 trillion) as if he has no common sense. Incredible amounts of people on welfare. This guy is trying to make our Country socialist. The next four years are going to be very 'interesting' to say the least. Scary times coming. What do you guys think? Top charonn0 Post subject: Re: Time to throw up now.Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 1:31 am Joined: Mon Apr 02, 2007 2:08 am Posts: 970 Location: San Francisco, CA, USA J.Sh3ppard wrote:What do you guys think? I think you are confused as to what Socialism actually is. _________________ Boredom Software Top J.Sh3ppard Post subject: Re: Time to throw up now.Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 1:49 am Joined: Tue Mar 23, 2010 8:44 pm Posts: 484 charonn0 wrote:J.Sh3ppard wrote:What do you guys think? I think you are confused as to what Socialism actually is. Not sure about that. I'm not an expert on socialism (who is?) and there are varying forms or degrees of it but my point is Obama is pushing the USA into the socialist direction. He is anti-capitalistic and I think that is un-American. People who don't think so probably aren't paying attention or don't know what socialism is. Obama wants to punish those who make significantly more money than the poor and give more to the poor or less ambitious. Why? I don't necessarily support that. I don't believe in punishing someone who has achieved success because they worked harder, smarter, and overcame obstacles to become successful. Socialism leans towards wanting people to be equal economically regardless of individual's creativity, hard work and success. If I'm working 80 hour weeks why should I share my profit with a lazy bum who's unemployed or only working 20 hours a week? I shouldn't. I am already by paying taxes in the capitalistic society. And the wealthy who make significantly more money than I do pay even more in taxes and Obummer is going to raise those taxes. It's pretty unfair and very insulting considering this guy is spend crazy and doesn't care about the national debt. Others should not be economically reduced down to the lower level because some socialist said so. The freedom to strive for more and the opportunity to succeed is a large part of why this is the best Country on Earth. If we take away the benefits and rewards of success people won't have any ambition or desire to achieve more. We will fall behind as a Country and a nation of people. Socialism is closely related to Communism and in my opinion it doesn't work. Whether a person thinks that is good or bad is something else. At least marijuana for recreation use is now legal in Colorado and Washington state for those 21 years and older on the state level. Still not legal on the Federal level. Top Specialised Post subject: Re: Time to throw up now.Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 2:25 am Joined: Thu Aug 26, 2010 6:57 am Posts: 520 Location: Sydney Australia Obama is a puppet for the elitists who is only in power to destroy america incrementaly. The media is owned by the elitists so dont think you will be getting any balance there. As for mitt he is exactly the same and would do the same thing if elected. The whole election process is designed to distract everyone from the issues. Your country is going to hell in a hand basket. Check out infowars.com for the real news. _________________ Regards Chris Musty Specialised Technologies Pty Ltd Software | Electronics | IT http://www.specialised.net.au ----------------------------------------------- Latest RB Enterprise on Win 7 Ultimate, Ubuntu 12.04 Turnkey Linux Appliances on Amazon Web Services = unbelievably easy to deploy appliances. Top charonn0 Post subject: Re: Time to throw up now.Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 2:28 am Joined: Mon Apr 02, 2007 2:08 am Posts: 970 Location: San Francisco, CA, USA There is an economic spectrum, as I see it, with unrestrained total capitalism on one extreme and total government control of all infrastructure and industry on the other. The USA is just off-center in this spectrum, as almost all of the heavy infrastructure is wholly or partially government controlled but almost all of the industries are entirely private operations. Socialism, generally, is the widespread takeover of industries by the government, particularly those identified as quality-of-life and health related. Communism can be described as a more Fascist interpretation of heavy-duty Marxist fundamentalism where government control of industry is total and pervasive. Socialism, in my view, is not necessarily a bad thing. It makes sense to do things collectively if by so doing we gain more than doing them piecemeal. Unjustified intrusions by government into industry can't be allowed, I agree. But we should be careful that we are examining each instance on its merits rather than on whether Keynes or Marx would approve. Barack Obama has not been the President I had hoped for. He has done many things I like, and some big things I didn't like. Nevertheless what option did the GOP put forward to contend with a President I liked but wasn't crazy about? Some guy named Mitt who has some compelling arguments but never delivered any substantive details as to what he would do as President or, even, what he would have done substantively differently had he been elected in '08. This is one of the issues with our nowhere-written-in-law two-party system. Neither party had to put much effort into 41 of 50 states, it all came down to 9. Barack Obama may or may not be a good President; but he's the product of our system, our acceptance of two and only two viable candidates for every office. _________________ Boredom Software Top Thom McGrath Post subject: Re: Time to throw up now.Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 3:07 am Site Admin Joined: Tue May 06, 2008 1:07 pm Posts: 1240 Location: Greater Hartford Area, CT Considering nobody is going to convince anybody else to change their views on the matter, I'm going to close this thread. Nothing productive can come from it. _________________ Thom McGrath - @tekcor Web Framework Architect, Real Software, Inc. 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