New topic: AutoSave?
<http://forums.realsoftware.com/viewtopic.php?t=467> Page 1 of 1 [ 13 posts ] Previous topic | Next topic Author Message LudwigHarvester Post subject: AutoSave?Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 3:52 pm Joined: Tue Oct 04, 2005 12:06 pm Posts: 27 Location: Hans Island, Canada Geoff Perlman wrote in the realbasic-nug list: Quote:There isn't currently an auto save feature but there almost certainly will be one in next release (after 2.1). Does this thing exist, and if so, how do I turn it on? I would like the IDE to auto save before building. Thanks. _________________ RB2005r4 WinXPPro Top Aaron Ballman Post subject: Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 4:05 pm Joined: Wed Sep 28, 2005 8:39 am Posts: 9341 Location: St Augusta, MN AutoSave is transparent to the user -- we automatically save at different intervals for you. One of which (I believe) is before building the application. However, this auto-save feature does NOT save into your project file; it saves into the temp directory as a crash recovery measure. If you'd like the ability to Save & Run in one step, that'd make for a nice feature request. Top LudwigHarvester Post subject: Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 4:31 pm Joined: Tue Oct 04, 2005 12:06 pm Posts: 27 Location: Hans Island, Canada Thanks Aaron, you are always so quick... Crash recovery may be nice if it works, and I guess some attempt is better than none. It might help if the power suddenly went out etc. I had two IDE's open, and the one took down both of them during a build. They simply both vanished and were gone from the task list. When I restarted, the IDE made no attempt at crash recovery for either one, so work was lost. If all the running RB IDEs are based on one underlying process then this crash recovery should try to save all of them, and it should make sure that it works. I think explicit AutoSave as a feature is still nice. I want the project file explicitly saved, like any other IDE can do, before a build or run. And apparently with RB I need it to autosave all the open projects, as they are all vulnerable. >From Mr Perlman's post, it sounded like this would be done by now and I was >just missing something. The feedback database has it as an issue and it is closed. http://www.realsoftware.com/feedback/vi ... d=rjcltzgg Where is the reason for closing it? That's about as valid as closing the "Ability to use XML as the project files" issue. The feedback/support people did do something nice though, they added a separate field for " Find Report by ID". Before it was buried in a combo box somewhere and simply dumping an ID into the keyword text field did not work by default. _________________ RB2005r4 WinXPPro Top Aaron Ballman Post subject: Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 4:44 pm Joined: Wed Sep 28, 2005 8:39 am Posts: 9341 Location: St Augusta, MN LudwigHarvester wrote:Crash recovery may be nice if it works, and I guess some attempt is better than none. It might help if the power suddenly went out etc. It's also a hold-over from when the debug application ran within the IDE's memory space (from way back in our humble Classic beginnings). So if your app crashed while debugging, it would take the IDE with it. Ah, isn't history grand? Quote:I had two IDE's open, and the one took down both of them during a build. They simply both vanished and were gone from the task list. When I restarted, the IDE made no attempt at crash recovery for either one, so work was lost. That's no good (both the silent crash and the lost work) and is definetely a bug or two. Whether it's failing to save the project (but you're right, it should save all open projects) or failing to ask you to reload it, I'm not certain.... Top mwelborn Post subject: Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 6:20 pm Joined: Fri Sep 30, 2005 6:50 pm Posts: 45 Location: Henderson, NV I have an autosave its called CMD-S. Sorry couldn't resist. As Aaron mention, the classic version (some time in the 4.x range IIRC) got me in the habit of holding Command and typing S then R. Good habit to get into. Lost many projects that way. I do agree autosave would be a great feature request as long as the user has control over preference to turn it on or off. I find myself running a lot of test code that I don't really want saved to my project. Top blakeyrat Post subject: Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 6:51 pm Joined: Mon Oct 03, 2005 5:33 pm Posts: 464 If you don't instinctually hit "command-S" every minute or so while typing, then you haven't been using computers that long. Incidentally, why is Hypercard the only application *ever* that got this right? Why should I have to save? It's a freaking dual G5 1.8 ghz in the year 2005 with two gigs of RAM, and the system can't just keep a running log of all the changes I've made? The whole "save" paradigm is flawed, IMO. Apps should *constantly* save, and just make checkmarks when you hit Save in the menu, and allow you to go back to any checkmark you've made previously. Like source control software, but automatic and for every document. Top LudwigHarvester Post subject: Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:03 pm Joined: Tue Oct 04, 2005 12:06 pm Posts: 27 Location: Hans Island, Canada Actually this may be the first application since my Windows 3.1 (i.e. non-protected memory) days where I have had to worry about losing little bits of work like that. That said, most tools I use like VC++ etc. do offer auto-save before build/run. So that may be a bit harsh, because I am sure I must have hosed/locked up the Visual Studio IDE, and other IDEs, a few times in the last decade. Granted, if I did a lot of word processing or image processing I am sure I would get in the habit of ModifierKey-S saving manually more often. But even those tools usually offer a timed saved mechanism too. I do like to frequently check stuff into version control, so that should make me save every so often anyway. When the REALbasic people decide to reopen and actually implement this feature, thus alleviating some side-effect bugs that can lose their customers work, please add your vote to it: http://www.realsoftware.com/feedback/vi ... d=rjcltzgg Thanks. _________________ RB2005r4 WinXPPro Top w2ed Post subject: Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 12:41 am Joined: Mon Oct 03, 2005 11:53 pm Posts: 670 Location: Loves Park, IL Aaron Ballman wrote:AutoSave is transparent to the user -- we automatically save at different intervals for you. One of which (I believe) is before building the application. However, this auto-save feature does NOT save into your project file; it saves into the temp directory as a crash recovery measure. If you'd like the ability to Save & Run in one step, that'd make for a nice feature request. Umm, Aaron, what if you're against the idea? Sometimes I'll go into a long period, saving mearly because of how long it's taking me to finish what I am doing, and as a result, I may not want to run it every time I save it, or be forced to save it at the end, where anything - power outage, kicking out the plug, someone else jumping on whiled you take a break - could knock out everything you have done. (Yes, I know about it doing a recover; sometimes it can become corrupted, so I try to avoid having to use it.) Could you add an addendum to make it an option should such a request show up? Wayne C. Winquist _________________ Wayne C. Winquist Not Wayne's World Wordpress Not Wayne's World MySpace! Not Wayne's World Yahoo! 360 Top Aaron Ballman Post subject: Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 9:38 am Joined: Wed Sep 28, 2005 8:39 am Posts: 9341 Location: St Augusta, MN It would have to be an optional thing, for exactly the reasons you've stated (that and the fact that quite often you want to make a small app to test something out, and you probably don't want to save it, etc). Top w2ed Post subject: Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 7:52 pm Joined: Mon Oct 03, 2005 11:53 pm Posts: 670 Location: Loves Park, IL Cool. :: cheesy grin :: Wayne C. Winquist _________________ Wayne C. Winquist Not Wayne's World Wordpress Not Wayne's World MySpace! Not Wayne's World Yahoo! 360 Top blakeyrat Post subject: Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 8:49 am Joined: Mon Oct 03, 2005 5:33 pm Posts: 464 I do the same thing with the database of a MUD I admin at. It backs up via rsync every 4 hours (for the last 24 hours) and each day for the last 5 days. Then weeklies go onto an external HD, and monthlies are burnt to DVD. Top HardyMachia Post subject: Re:Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:43 pm Joined: Mon Dec 11, 2006 12:25 pm Posts: 57 Aaron Ballman wrote:AutoSave is transparent to the user -- we automatically save at different intervals for you. One of which (I believe) is before building the application. However, this auto-save feature does NOT save into your project file; it saves into the temp directory as a crash recovery measure. If you'd like the ability to Save & Run in one step, that'd make for a nice feature request. This ever make it into the app? Recovering files suck if you are using version control software. 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