I wonder about that though - i remember that the butt-back, more
stretched-out position (as Patrick noted) was something that
Bridgestone promoted. I'll have to dig up one of my catalogs and look
up the seat tube angle on those RBs.

Bill

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I'd say short chainstays, a steep seat tube, and probably low bars.
>
> On Jan 18, 8:44 pm, "Doug Peterson" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> What really makes for good climbing is to weigh about 140 lbs.  However
>> we're stuck with what we've got, so plan B is the bike.
>>
>> My $0.02 is:  short stays & light rotating mass.
>>
>> dougP
>>
>>   _____
>>
>> From: [email protected]
>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of PATRICK MOORE
>> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 5:47 PM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Bike Models Page - some updates
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
>>
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> I suspect that geometry is more important than tube diameter when
>> we're talking about bikes that climb well vs bikes that don't.
>>
>> Now *this* is an interesting topic!
>>
>> What do y'all think makes for good climbing, first with respect to geometry?
>> I throw out the suggestion that one quality is a frame designed for saddle
>> back, butt back, riding position (which would be slack seat angle, except
>> that mine all have had 73 deg sts.) I know Grant has favored a long stayed,
>> shortish front-center design; perhaps that aspect trumps seat tube angle? In
>> any event, IME (and I emphasize in *my* experience), a butt back position
>> favors fast climbing.
> >
>

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