That's a nice m'bar offroad setup!  That long head tube really helps
get the bars up where they belong.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3567/3380067941_d71bda2892_b.jpg

Bill

On May 3, 7:59 am, Esteban <[email protected]> wrote:
> Mustache bars are great - especially off road and handy in harder
> efforts where you might lean more on your legs and want a wide, low
> position.  I've seen 'em set up high with a Dirt Drop stem, and that
> looks pretty comfortable.  But I like to ride on the ends and up at
> the bends when I'm really pushing the bike.
>
> Currently, I have my Rawland set up with them - like David - stem even
> with the saddle and ends about 3cm below:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/d955e9
>
> Albatross bars and B66/B67 for upright comfort, joy riding!
>
> Noodles for all-around comfort, harder efforts,
>
> On May 3, 7:25 am, "Bill M." <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Nathan,
>
> > If you made the jump from 20 to 50 miles in one shot, a little
> > soreness might not be too unexpected.  I'd say keep the Noodles for
> > now, ride some more, fine tune your position and get a little fitter
> > before swapping bars.  The Moustache is not likely to be the quick
> > cure for you.
>
> > Careful saddle positioning may actually help.  I'm sure Mark got it
> > close, but close may not be perfect.  Saddle height, tilt and fore-aft
> > position are interdependent, and getting them all right can take a
> > little while.  Use a level, tape measure and plumb bob to track your
> > changes, the adjustments can be too small to eyeball.  Moving the nose
> > up or down as little as 1/16" can be felt, saddle height adjustments
> > of 1/8 likewise!  The plumb bob is to check setback, the horizontal
> > distance from the saddle nose to the center of the BB.  The sweet spot
> > will change a bit as the leather saddle ages, so you'll need to tinker
> > some to get it right.
>
> > The next step would be to see if your current stem should be shorter
> > and/or taller.  As I said above, I went to an 8 cm stem and swapped my
> > Noodle bar for a bar with less forward reach and less drop on my Riv
> > Road.  The reduced reach to the brake hoods took a lot of load off of
> > my arms and back.  Unfortunately I don't know of any silver short-
> > reach drops, so the Riv now has an ugly black painted bar (Ritchie
> > Biomax - nice tops and ramps, don't much like the drop sction).  Worse
> > yet, the bar with the bend I'd really like to use (3T Ergosum) only
> > comes with a 31.8 clamp, which would mean a black threadless stem and
> > a threaded to threadless adapter post, and I don't think I'd want to
> > do that to my Rivendell!
>
> > Bill
>
> > On May 2, 10:55 am, nathan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Thanks for all of your wisdom! Let me provide some more info.
>
> > > I purchased a Romulus last month and soon after went over to RBW where
> > > Mark kindly setup the bike's current bar and saddle heights. I've been
> > > mostly enjoying the Noodle bar so far, but have been doing mostly 5-20
> > > mi rides. Yesterday was my first long ride (50 mi) with the bike, and
> > > about halfway through I had a pretty intense soreness in lower my
> > > back. This hampered my comfort for the rest of the ride; I had to stop
> > > a few times to stretch and rest so that I could keep on going. The guy
> > > I was riding with suggested I try out the Moustache bars, to get a
> > > more upright position, so that I'm not leaning forward as much /
> > > tensing my back as much. So, I'd like to at least experiment with new
> > > bars and see if they make a difference on long rides.
>
> > > Here's a photo of our bikes on the ride yesterday: 
> > > <http://www.flickr.com/photos/natan/3492115283/>. You can see my bars are 
> > > just
> > > about level with the saddle, and both stem (Technomic Deluxe) and post
> > > are right below max height (the bike is just a little small for me…).
> > > I'm willing to try out a new stem too, it sounds like the Nitto
> > > DirtDrop is the way to go if I move forward with the Moustache bar.
>
> > > -nathan
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