But the same applies to the Ritchey stem that was under discussion
above, since it too is threadless.

On Aug 14, 6:12 pm, R Gonet <[email protected]> wrote:
> But don't forget that with the Nitto stem you are saving the weight of
> the fork tube extension, whatever that may be.
>
> On Aug 14, 8:52 pm, Aaron Thomas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > In all fairness to Mark, it must be kept in mind that the goal was to
> > build the prototype with weight in mind, given that the Roadeo is
> > intended as a lightweight club rider.
>
> > I'm not sure about the particular Ritchey stem he used, but since many
> > of those sorts of stems weigh just a little over 100g, there is a not
> > inconsiderable weight savings compared to the otherwise very nice
> > Nitto stem that Steve linked to above, which weighs in the
> > neighborhood of 300g. That's somewhere between a 1/3 to 1/2 lb.
> > difference, if my math is correct.
>
> > If they succeed in getting the final build below 20 lbs, it would go
> > some way toward demonstrating that lugged steel and lightweight bikes
> > are not mutually exclusive categories, even if the bike still carries
> > what some may consider a 3 or 4 lb weight "penalty" with respect to
> > the latest carbon machines.
>
> > On Aug 14, 5:03 pm, Tim McNamara <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 14, 2009, at 5:57 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> > > > On Fri, 2009-08-14 at 17:36 -0500, Tim McNamara wrote:
>
> > > >> On Aug 14, 2009, at 5:15 PM, Rocky B wrote:
>
> > > >>> Great-looking bike.  Can't wait to see the final version.
>
> > > >>> Is it me or does lugged frames with threadless stems look weird?  I
> > > >>> can never get used to them together.
>
> > > >> They looked fine when Alex Singer and Rene Herse did them 50 years
> > > >> ago.  And Tom Ritchey did them in the 1970s, too.  I think the issue
> > > >> is that the modern threadless stem tends to have a big fat tube
> > > >> instead of an elegant looking tube for the extension.
>
> > > > It doesn't have to be that way:
> > > >http://www.businesscycles.com/graphics/tstem-nitto_tless.jpg
> > > >http://www.businesscycles.com/graphics/tstem-nitto_tless3.jpg
>
> > > > I'd call that "elegant"
>
> > > Me, too.  Hence why I mentioned them earlier as preferable to the fat  
> > > black Ritchey stem in the photo.
>
>
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